For years now, we’ve been watching and waiting as Google has gradually developed their Fuchsia operating system from the ground up. Now evidence has appeared pointing to Google’s Fuchsia OS getting its first — and second — proper release.
We’re still a few years away, but everything seems to be pointing towards Fuchsia becoming the company-wide operating system for virtually all of Google’s user-facing products – and it seems designed and set up in a way that regular users won’t even know they’ve made the transition from e.g. Android-on-Android-proper to Android-on-Fuchsia.
it says a lot about the lack of interest in Fuchsia that this sat here for 2 days with no comments lol
That doesn’t mean much of anything. Comment sections are mostly like listening to Beavis and Butthead yammering on with dumb shit between each other.
Hi! Welcome to the Internet. I see you’re new here…
What’s there to comment upon exactly? It’s an incomplete developer preview for a very limited number of devices.
Not much to talk about unless Google finally declares it’s something more than a science experiment.
I am super excited about this. My current options for mobile phone operating systems are:
…Android, where I have full control, every app in the world, but a sluggish experience.
…iOS, which is super snappy, has every app in the world, but I don’t have full control.
…Sailfish, which is super snappy, I have full control, but is sorely lacking in the number of apps and hardware that is supported.
If Fuchsia can resolved the issues with Android feeling sluggish without taking away ownership of the phone from me, it will be perfect!
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…iOS, which is super snappy, has every app in the world, but I don’t have full control.
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I think you meant “has every app, apple does allow” which is more like “every app which is no competitor to one of its own apps”
Haha That’s a good point! I just meant there would never be a time where I’d have to tell someone (a coworker, a bank…), “Sorry, I can’t do that on my device, it’s not supported on my OS.” Which is something I’ve had to say in the past as a current Linux user and former Sailfish user,
drcouzelis,
You shouldn’t be apologizing to them, they should be apologizing to you.
Fighting duopolies isn’t something we can do effectively as individuals, it takes a village.
Apple dropped that policy years ago.
What phone are you using that Android is “sluggish?” Or are you just repeating stereotypes from the internet…
BTW, not all Android devices can be rooted, so I don’t know what you mean by “full control.”
Agree. I`m using Mi 9 Lite and I don`t have any lags with it. However I had a lot, when I`ve used Nexus 5. It depend from phone.
javiercero1,
I think he only means sideloading. Android is definitely better than iphone about permitting owners to sideload. However a lot of android devices still leave a lot to be desired in terms of rooting and letting users install custom roms. Between boot restrictions and binary blobs, it can be an uphill battle for FOSS alternative like lineageos. I make sure to buy devices that can be rooted and run lineageos up front, but honestly I feel the google/apple duopoly has hurt power users in general.
When I use my Android phone, there are times when I am waiting for the keyboard to open, or waiting for a keypress to register, or waiting for a menu to open, or waiting for an app to scroll. Usually it’s close to instant. Many times I’m waiting 5 seconds. Sometimes I’m waiting longer.
My Jolla / Sailfish phone, made in 2013 with low specs for the time, does not have these issues.
What specs do I need in an Android phone for it to have as smooth of a user experience as Sailfish?
Some Android phones can be rooted. People who root their Android phones are not treated as antagonists like they are by Apple. Sailfish phones come rooted by default That’s what I mean by full control.
drcouzelis,
How reproducible is your problem? How full are your memory and storage? Did this happen from day one or did it start happening more recently?
Your experience seems to be different than mine. I’ve got an android 9 phone and that doesn’t happen. I do encounter some bugs with some applications, but I can’t remember keyboard delays ever being a problem for me on any android device. Are you sure it’s an android problem and not a problem with a specific application or customized keyboard that you use?
I disable google services on all my devices, so I would not really experience lag caused by google phoning home (ie to support google voice commands). Is it possible that’s a cause? A network capture would show if a remote service is responsible for your delays. It’s something that I would check if it were happening to me.
Since you did mean rooting, we should be clear that only some android products let you do this. One shouldn’t really assume having android implies rootable though.
Thanks for the tips. I do keep my phone very lean in regards to software (mostly open source), storage, RAM, and network activity, The experience on my phone isn’t terrible or anything. It’s just frustrating when I have GBs of RAM with a multicore processor on ANY computer and there’s any slowdown ever. I can’t believe it’s 2021 and I’m still waiting over 10 seconds at times for the right-click menu to open in Windows Explorer. >_<
I'm super curious, what do you mean by disable Google services? You mean, install a custom ROM and skip the gapps? I've been toying with the idea of doing that myself.
drcouzelis,
Yeah, it’s quite something that we have oodles of memory and super fast solid state storage, and yet we still have to wait on computers sometimes. Software developers have been spoiled. All too often hardware improvements are followed by software bloat.
Yes that’s what I do, but if you don’t replace gapps with another implementation, a lot of applications will break because they have a dependency on google’s proprietary gapps APIs. I use microg.
https://microg.org/
To be frank the LineageOS developers are not at all helpful with this. They’ve not only removed the features needed to provide an open source alternative to gapps, they actively censor this topic in their forums. They claim it’s about protecting users, but alas much of it is just political stonewalling.
I would highly recommend downloading an image directly from microg, which is already patched and saves a lot of time/frustration (assuming you have a supported device)..
https://lineage.microg.org/
Most applications work fine with the open source alternatives, but let me state the obvious: you won’t have google services if you go this route. No google maps, google voice, google play, etc. You’ll need alternatives for all of google’s apps. All the alternative play stores work fine, I’m pretty happy with “OSMAnd+” from fdroid for mapping, etc. But the vast majority of mobile app providers distribute exclusively via google play (for example your bank, pharmacy, ebay, and so on, they don’t even publish the own APKs on their own website). I’ve never had a problem obtaining the APKs from a mirror, but it is an inconvenience.
So long as you understand this going in, and you’re comfortable flashing your device, then I see no reason you shouldn’t join the (small) club, haha