As it turns out, our guesstimation was probably pretty spot on, as there are now multiple reports alleging that Microsoft is going to be making Windows 11 22H2 (codenamed Sun Valley 2 or SV2) public on the 20th of September. It will be apparently be served via the Windows Update option in the Settings.
For those on Windows 11 21H2, which is the original release, it should be a seamless upgrade process as the system requirements haven’t changed.
I guess this Windows version gobbledygook means something to someone, but I lost track a long time ago.
I’ve never used Windows versions beyond 7 but it looks like they’re on something similar to “Ubuntu 22.04” except replace the “Ubuntu” with “Windows 11”.
I suspect “22H2” means “second half of 2022”.
The Windows Versioning is pretty elementary, so I am not sure what’s so difficult to understand. 22H2 (22 = 2022) (H2 = Second Half of the year). My 10 year old gets it
This, again. Anyone who fails to understand this versioning scheme is either retarded or (more likely) doing it because they think they’re trashing Windows that way.
Meanwhile, good luck trying to understand which versions of Ubuntu are LTS unless you have memorized the cadence sequence or the term “LTS” has been helpfully appended to the version number (which isn’t always the case).
And then there is the nonsense of Linux Kernel versioning, which was stuck on 2.x for more than a decade but then moved to 3.x for marketing purposes (simply put, there was no major compatibility breakage that justified moving to 3.x after more than a decade on 2.x). Oh, and moving from a 4-number versioning scheme to a 3-number versioning scheme. The result? Some scripts and apps which assumed that a move to 3.x was reserved for really breaking changes (not a bad assumption considering how many breaking changes in the past didn’t force a bump from 2.x) or assumed a 4-digit version scheme were broken. Nice.
Huh, pretty sure when you go to download Ubunutu, it literally will show the version that is the latest LTS or one that is not.
Yup, verified, the download button says 22.04 LTS.
Being able to tell when one is released is one thing, though. Actually figuring out what the differences between Windows releases seems to be a bit more difficult than any Linux distro update which will clearly list the major differences, if for no other reason to tout the amount of work involved.
Yes but outside Canonical’s website, sometimes the clarification is not made. Also, don’t get me started about the fact Ubuntu is using a versioning scheme that implies [major].[minor] but they actually mean [major].[month-of-release] (and sometimes it becomes [major].[month-of-release].[point]). For example, version 22.04 implies that the major version 22 has been through 5 minor versions, but nope, it’s actually the month it was released. At least Microsoft doesn’t try to make their [year][which-half-of-the-year] versioning scheme look like a standard versioning scheme when it’s actually not.
However, Ubuntu’s scheme has a higher chance of working with traditional version-parsing logic (as long as said logic doesn’t get confused about whether leading zeroes mean octal and you don’t blindly assume it’s something like semver).
It’s almost as if Ubuntu and Windows are 2 different products! What a crazy concept!
22 is the year and 04 is the month. it has been like this since at least warty in 2004. maybe longer
NaGERST is correct and beat me to it. It is YY.MM And yes 4.04 I believe was the first release of Ubuntu. It never started at 1.0. It was always YY.MM. Now the dumb part is it’s actually YY.MM.u (as the last .# is actually a minor / bug fix update that may be needed due to the original iso needing to be updated. Over a 10 year period of support for LTS, you’ll likely end up with 22.04.5 or something.
Why do folks still use Windows? It’s not even better at gaming than Linux any more. That used to be the case, but what’s the current reason people still use that horrible thing?
People still use Windows because there are still very useful programs they need that will not run under Linux. And, with reference to gaming, I am told by my sons there are still a lot of very popular games that will not run outside of Windows.
Also, in a business environment, there are not Linux-alternatives for some processes. For instance, few vendors of real-time data collections systems in in industrial environment have any support for Linux.
Whaaa? Windows works with every win32/win64 software in GOG, Steam, and Origin, but SteamOS and Desktop Linux only work with a subset of them. That’s the reason the “Steam Deck Verified” label even exists. Also, gaming hardware supports Windows first and may support Desktop Linux, so again, Desktop Linux supports a subset of what Windows does.
And generally, this is why people use Windows: Software and hardware vendors have to support Windows if they want to survive financially but may support Desktop Linux. As a result, most people’s hardware and software collection will work on Windows (save for really old stuff) but may work on Desktop Linux. And compatibility is a huge selling point, deal with it. Plus not having to deal with Desktop Linux’s awful power management.
The Steam Deck sells on the fact it’s well integrated and innovative, but to all you people running Desktop Linux on gaming PCs: Are you insane? There is a much better hardware and software ecosystem over at Windows, especially when it comes to gaming.
No it does not. War front – turning point requires windows 7 or older and will work on linux but not on windows 8,9, 10 or 11 for example. i have plenty of games that runs poorly or not at all in newer versions.
@kurkosdr
That isn’t the ONLY reason Steam Deck Verified is a thing. There are other factors like ‘this game is strictly mouse/keyboard controls, or doesn’t scale correctly to smaller screens.’
Proton/Wine’s compatibility is VERY good these days. There are games, like NaGERST pointed out, that simply won’t work on newer versions of windows, but as you can set the version of windows you want to with wine, it’s quite easy to get a lot of older games to work.
Interstate76 was one that I initially couldn’t get working with correct colors under Windows 10 (it may have been long enough ago that it was Win7) but it worked fine on Linux. This was the GOG version…
For me it’s a short list of software:
* Sync.com (I haven’t found an encrypted cloud storage system that works as well)
* Backblaze (yes, I’m aware of B2 clients for Linux; I just want a reliable and simple backup program)
* Affinity Designer and Affinity Photo (Krita is actually fairly close to Affinity Photo for what I do, but Inkscape is not close enough to Affinity Designer for me)
Oh, and Final Fantasy XIV doesn’t handle my keymapping (just CapsLock = Ctrl) properly under WINE.
I’d rather use Linux, I’m annoyed less by Mint than Windows. All of those must-have (for me) apps are available on macOS though, and Apple’s CPUs are fantastic for what I do… so I’ll probably go back there when it’s time to replace my personal laptop again.
Because Linux hardware support is trash unless you are running the newest hardware (which if you are doing that why wouldn’t you just use windows) and the second you have to do anything more complex than “surf google, check email” it craps itself?
Want some examples? Fine find me a driver for a first-third gen AMD APU, which is a super popular APU for laptops, go on I’ll wait…yeah it doesn’t exist. Oh if you go to the dirstro forums they’ll say “we support that” but “support” means a non hardware accelerated 800×600 terminal…gee thanks for turning this $500 laptop into a dumb terminal from 1983, so useful Meanwhile I can just take the Windows 7 driver, pop it into win 10 and voila! Perfect hardware accelerated 1080p goodness.
So I’m sorry but as someone who refurbs hardware, I can tell ya that Linux support even in 2022 is a buggy nasty mess, hell even Linus Torvalds has software he supports on Windows and Mac but NOT on Linux, why? No stable ABI means supporting Linux is like trying to hit a moving dartboard with a live bee, his words. This means a driver that worked yesterday may not work today and if the company isn’t constantly putting out new drivers or the hardware is popular enough some poor schmuck is willing to rewrite the thing with each new release? Welp sucks to be you.
Frankly Linux is more like OSX in its limited support and shorter lifespan than windows, it honestly cannot even compare when it comes to hardware and software support, not even close. When I can download a driver for say Ubuntu 4 and plug it straight into Ubuntu whatever the hell number they are up to now and it works? THEN you will have a point, until then? Naw son you ain’t even in the same ballpark, hell not even playing the same sport.
bassbeast,
I completely disagree with this characterization of linux. There is absolutely no problem running linux on old hardware in general. I run linux on lots of old computers where it works fine, but the key is to buy components that were compatible in the first place. If you don’t select compatible hardware then yeah you may end up with devices not working and those incompatibilities suck. But they have everything to do with hardware selection and little to do with age.
You keep doing this bassbeast, cherrypicking hardware that doesn’t work to make improper generalizations. There’s been plenty of hardware over the years lacking support in linux, we all know this already but it’s always been the user’s responsibility to select hardware that is compatible. Failure to do that means you’re leaving it to luck.
Once again when you build a linux system you shouldn’t leave hardware to luck. Given your experience you should have learned by now that you should stick with supported hardware. For better or worse, at a refurb shop, you are going to get some computers that only work with the os they were designed for. You may be annoyed that linux won’t run on all the computers coming to your door, but beggars can’t be choosers.
This doesn’t align with my experience at all. Long term hardware support is a big perk with linux and personally I’ve had more trouble with hardware loosing support under windows once the manufacturers stop supporting the drivers.
Sorry you can’t say “hardware support is good” and then ignore one of the MOST POPULAR LAPTOP chips which just FYI is still being sold in 2022 (ProTip: Most Walmart and Target budget laptops? Still using AMD Excavator APUs). You might as well be saying “Hey you don’t need Protools, Photoshop, because we have this poorly supported home baked mess with half the features and barely works, yay!”
You can wave the Penguin flag all ya want, when Linus Torvalds won’t support Linux with his own software? That should tell ya all ya need to know. Oh and the comparison is perfect as just like Apple OSX Linux only supports Intel, AMD support? As piss poor and slapdash as a Hackentosh. and you are literally saying “You HAVE to buy specific hardware to make it work”…where have I heard that before? Oh yeah the Hackentosh community, I rest my case.
Meanwhile as both a consumer and builder I can buy ANY hardware from the past 10 years, slap on Windows and ya know what? It “Just works”. Isn’t it funny that in 22 YEARS Linux still don’t even have the most basic things like backwards compatible drivers, a simple rollback feature if a driver gets borked, hell I could go on all day listing basic common sense features windows has had for decades that Linux in 2022 still doesn’t have. Hey if you like jumping through hoops to justify your religious choice of OS? Go right ahead but 20 years ago Linux was at sub 5%, 10 years ago? Sub 5%, 2022? according to statcounter its down to 1% worldwide, which makes it lower than Windows 8.1 which bombed but still has 2.3%. Sorry dude but if your product was good people would use it…they don’t.
bassbeast,
What is the source of your data? Regardless it doesn’t change my point. To get a good experience obviously you need to use supported hardware. You may not like it but it’s the truth and it’s true for macs and every other OS too. Windows just happens to be a monopoly, but for better or worse most alternatives don’t have the luxury of being one. You have criticized linux for not supporting the hardware you have, fine. Now what? Did you actually want to move forward or is your plan just to keep whining about it?
ANY hardware from the past 10 years? Be careful in the way you word your assertions because absolutist statements like that are usually exaggerations.
Scanner manufactured until 2014, windows driver support ending in 2016…
https://help.getdoxie.com/originaldoxie/faq/obsolete/
Well, let’s be clear: the in-tree drivers are supported for an exceptionally long time. I don’t think most users have any major gripes with these. If anything we might consider purging some of them that are over two decades old. It’s debatable though because they still work.
The real issue is out of tree drivers, and especially proprietary ones. Linux is not designed to support them. While I think a stable ABI would be beneficial for many reasons, many in the community are understandably wary of manufactures using the ABI to release binary only drivers. This is bad, even on windows, because the manufacturer keeps exclusive access to driver source code. This invariably means the code isn’t available to update, can’t be optimized for new micro-architectures, can’t be ported to different architectures like ARM, can’t be reused in new operating systems, and can’t be analyzed in security audits. The rebuttal could be “it’s the manufacturer’s job to support their own driver”, but that’s only true until EOL. And quite frankly support isn’t always satisfactory during the support window. Manufacturers often drag their feet on fixes and improvements. Open source code is not the norm, but it is the ideal.
“Religious choice of OS?”, that’s rich. I am not critical of your OS preferences, but you’ve been very critical of mine. I only use linux because it works for me independently of what others prefer to use. If you don’t like linux, then don’t use it. Between the two of us, who do you think has trouble accepting other people preferring a different os? Because I honestly don’t think it’s me.