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By: Kagi Search Beat Down : Stephen E. Arnold @ Beyond Search
[…] read “Do Not Use Kagi.” This, in turn, directed me to “Why I Lost Faith in Kagi.” Okay, what’s up with the Kagi […]
By: torb
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/139270/do-not-use-kagi/#comment-10438312">bemcl</a>.
As Lori points out in the blog post, some of Kagi's claims and people's reason for using Kagi are based on faulty assumptions. For instance I was myself interested in Kagi because I thought it was a search engine that unlike the big ones truly focused on privacy and avoided modern tech trends like LLMs (”Ai”), but it turns out that Kagi is both worse at privacy and more into LLMs stuff than mainstream search engine, thus for me, removing any reason to use Kagi over those.
If you're completely fine with Kagi's focus on LLMs (and don't care about their cavalier attitudes to privacy) then you can continue using them of course. It's all about making informed decisions and a lot of the information here is not widely known.
By: Minuous
That person seems really unhinged and very rude, does she not know how to use a spam filter? It might be better if she did that rather than publicly posting private emails without permission.
By: someuser
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/139270/do-not-use-kagi/#comment-10438335">antonone</a>.
I read somewhere that modern young people feel the email as harassment and passive aggression. I do not understand how immature a person is, who is afraid of a letter written with respect and reasonable questions about a complaint against the company. Is it possible to rely on the opinion of such people? I think not.
By: bemcl
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/139270/do-not-use-kagi/#comment-10438315">beosforever</a>.
Maybe this is off-topic because I do not care about the particular case of Kagi.... but 1)kagi wastes money, so we should stop using Boing, google, yahoo, microsoft and GM; 2)kagi didnt pay taxes, which is a nice reason (i could write another list of companies here); 3)maybe, I do not know what to say; 4) I think this is the real point; 6) Kagi is using some of its money to develop AI tools... should we close any R&D department for new products in California?
At this point I have to thank you for the comment 4 and for the 5 particularly. On the one side hand, it looks like Kagi does not have that strong-rigorous basis on privacy and the protection of the digital identity. On the other side hand, the GDPR are tools of governments around the world to protect and to spy people, sometimes I dont know where to put the read line. If you enjoy a government protecting your privacy GDPR looks like a nice thing, but definitely the internal measures to protect the digital identity (or anonymity) even against the company workers and governments are the keystone in current days. It looks like Kagi could do that better.
By: antonone
I don't see any harrasment.
Back in my days, when someone wanted to stop communicating with someone, they would stop all communication, not reply to each e-mail, thanking them for reaching out and asking them not to reply.
By: thomas
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/139270/do-not-use-kagi/#comment-10438329">thomas</a>.
ok this is not one sentence but the title and last sentence just cancel everything.
By: thomas
The kagi guys looks amateurish for sure but they are still trying to build an alternative to big names search and have made the poc that people are willing to pay for quality search. That is not nothing.
Maybe a post on how kagi was created, works behind the scene, grow with all those listed limitations would have been more interesting. Frankly for one sentence boycott or rants like this one, we already have mastodon or other social networks. This feels inappropriate (and I am european).
By: someuser
do not use this and this and this. because AI and homophobic and lalalalala... ridiculous. and this word "harassing".
Email is a simple letter used to initiate dialogue between people. And I read these “harassing” letters, the director of the company tried to establish a dialogue with this person and solve all the problems between this “lori” and the company. there was absolutely no harassment in these letters, Lori simply rejected the dialogue without any words and that’s it, the letters ended.
we need to make "do not read osnews" ... ? or just we will stop writing nonsense.
By: Darkmage
The business model here is pretty simple:
1. Make a product in 5 mins.
2. Slap the word AI on the box.
3. Pay people to promote adopting it so there's a maketable user base.
4. Sell out to a VC for mad $$$.
By: beosforever
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/139270/do-not-use-kagi/#comment-10438312">bemcl</a>.
There's nothing wrong with Lori's blog post, but that's just what it is: a blog post. It's personal feelings about Kagi and some information on why Lori feels that way. I interpret Lori's post as introducing six concerns: 1) Kagi wastes money, 2) Kagi doesn't pay sales tax, 3) Kagi isn't committed to promoting some progressive opinions Lori shares, 4) Kagi's definition of privacy differs from Lori's, especially as it relates to AI, 5) Kagi doesn't comply with GDPR data portability, and 6) Lori doesn't like that Kagi is using some of its money to develop AI tools.
In my opinion, any of those are reasons someone may choose not use Kagi, but none of those reasons are "news" that are revealing hidden motives or privacy/contractual breaches with its users. I'd argue that every search engine commits one or more of the sins Lori references. I guess the difference is that users aren't paying money to support those sins? To me, the Discord screenshots just reveal that this is a tech company run by less-than-brilliant tech bros. Welcome to the club.
By: bemcl
I do not know too much about Kagi, but I I am not sure this entry is fully informative. The reasons given at Lori's blog and here sound like personal feelings. I think Kagi claims a) independent search engine and b) privacy. It would be nice to contrast that.
By: Drizzt321
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/139270/do-not-use-kagi/#comment-10438306">Drizzt321</a>.
@corbeaucrypto apparently we have reply depth limits....
Looks like they do Advertising, unfortunately. Wish I could just pay them some money so they wouldn't have to worry about that. The person who pays the money always skews the goals/intentions.
But thanks, I'll take closer look at them.
By: corbeaucrypto
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/139270/do-not-use-kagi/#comment-10438306">Drizzt321</a>.
You may want to consider Qwant: https://qwant.com
I've been using it happily for years.
By: Drizzt321
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/139270/do-not-use-kagi/#comment-10438305">Thom Holwerda</a>.
But _which_ shady and/or morally reprehensible shit? DDG uses Bing backend for results, so that's MS, even if indirectly. Google is...Google. Yahoo. LOL.
But yeah. Sadly very few companies for this sort of thing are even marginally workable if you're not a shady tech-bro.