By: tux2bsd
Surely Mozilla could do this AI bizzo via an Add-On in Firefox. You would wonder why free speech is so hated at OSAlert (see if my comment is removed a 4th time).
By: sukru
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/140074/mozilla-integrating-ai-chatbots-into-firefox/#comment-10441197">Geck</a>.
Alfman,
Thanks for the link, I did not realize they had also tried ad based revenue.
Geck,
The audit has nothing to do with ads, but with Buzz. Unfortunately it was a mistake, and given the Google of the time period, probably not intentional:
https://searchengineland.com/twenty-year-privacy-audit-intended-to-punish-make-example-of-google-70693
Wrt. Chrome, once again you need to look at how we came here. Remember back in the day Firefox was struggling, and IE was the dominant player. Worse? The Javascript implementations were slow with no practical JIT, making Google's web based applications, like GMail unable to compete fully.
Hence came in Chrome and V8, unlocking Google's potential. It then became successful in the market for being extremely fast and more secure.
Why should we punish success?
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By: Geck
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/140074/mozilla-integrating-ai-chatbots-into-firefox/#comment-10441197">Geck</a>.
@sukru
If Chrome revenue is not tied to Google ads services, then they should do just fine, after decoupled. If it turns out that is not the case and they need part of that Google ads service revenue, to survive, then they can compete for it under the same terms as the competition. As for privacy audit of Google ads services. Hopefully, still this are usually just buzz words. Privacy audit for privacy violators ... Nasty ads for smokers ... It's for saying you are doing something, when you are actually not. If regulators want to do something then they need to start decoupling products by monopolies into their own entities and make them compete on the market. Just like Brave for example is doing, Firefox in my opinion isn't, as they still have a special sugar daddy kind of deal with Google, and that is not really competing in the market.
By: Alfman
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/140074/mozilla-integrating-ai-chatbots-into-firefox/#comment-10441097">CaptainN-</a>.
CaptainN-,
<blockquote>You did not share your prompt – I have no idea what you asked it. “AI” is already unreliable, but if you don’t even share the prompt, I have absolutely no idea how I’m supposed to to interpret this.</blockquote>
Indeed, not only might the training be incomplete and/or inaccurate, but another reason the responses may seem biased is because unpublished prompts are soliciting a specific type of response and then we tend to cherry pick the "best" ones (ie fit the narrative that we want chatgpt to follow).
By: Alfman
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/140074/mozilla-integrating-ai-chatbots-into-firefox/#comment-10441197">Geck</a>.
sukru,
<blockquote>You realize, Chrome itself hosts no ads, right. The same with Firefox</blockquote>
I'm not a regular user of chrome, so I don't know about them. But in fact firefox has displayed paid advertising a few times...
https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/7/22715179/firefox-suggest-search-ads-browser
Over the years mozilla has tried to monetize FF outside of google including ads. This did not go over well with many users but arguably mozilla made it easier to disable than other advertisers do.
By: sukru
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/140074/mozilla-integrating-ai-chatbots-into-firefox/#comment-10441197">Geck</a>.
privacy audit*
By: sukru
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/140074/mozilla-integrating-ai-chatbots-into-firefox/#comment-10441197">Geck</a>.
Geck,
You realize, Chrome itself hosts no ads, right. The same with Firefox, or other browsers (most of them, except ones like Brave, which does some shady stuff, or older ad supported ones).
So, Google will continue exactly as they were before. Except they can do even more, as Chrome side of things will have much less scrutiny.
(Google has a mandated privacy audio for 20 years beginning in 2011: https://spectrum.ieee.org/google-agrees-to-20-years-of-privacy-audits)
By: Geck
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/140074/mozilla-integrating-ai-chatbots-into-firefox/#comment-10441128">sukru</a>.
After decoupling what Chrome can for example do is to compete with other browser makers on the market. To sell user privacy for advertising or AI purposes, or similar. If that is really the best thing, right after sliced bread, humanity can think of. Google hence can only provide the "advertising API", the rest, the clients, that is not up to them any more.
By: tux2bsd
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/140074/mozilla-integrating-ai-chatbots-into-firefox/#comment-10441134">tux2bsd</a>.
Uh, can't edit. Oh well, she'll delete them soon enough.
By: sukru
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/140074/mozilla-integrating-ai-chatbots-into-firefox/#comment-10441107">eugel</a>.
Given Firefox already has forks, this should be no brainer:
https://medium.com/@mihirgrand/comparing-popular-firefox-forks-6fa83fdfdaad
(And let's not forget Tor Browser, which takes privacy to 11)
By: sukru
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/140074/mozilla-integrating-ai-chatbots-into-firefox/#comment-10441115">Geck</a>.
Geck,
"every action has an equal and opposite reaction", or rather everything sets up unexpected consequences.
Assume <i>somehow</i> Chrome decouples from Google.
What will Google do? What will Chrome Internet Systems, Inc do?
Won't they just repeat the agreement between Firefox and Google, and have Google as the primary search engine with deep integration in return for funding?
Say, you don't like this, and you banned Google from investing in Chrome.
What will happen?
What will stop Bing making such an investment?
What about Amazon?
Or do you want them not to receive any sponsorship or funding at all?
By: tux2bsd
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/140074/mozilla-integrating-ai-chatbots-into-firefox/#comment-10441113">Morgan</a>.
Wrong. No more "uncivil" than the comment you replied to.
By: spiderdroid
I'd rather see this integrated into Chrome or Edge for my entertainment purposes.
By: CaptainN-
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/140074/mozilla-integrating-ai-chatbots-into-firefox/#comment-10441111">Marshal Jim Raynor</a>.
Or, more humorously:
ChatGPT
Is it true that 100% of people exposed to dihydrogen monoxide die?
Yes, it is technically true that 100% of people exposed to dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO) will eventually die, but this statement is misleading. Dihydrogen monoxide is simply water (H2O), and exposure to it is essential for life. Everyone drinks water, and everyone will eventually die from various causes, but not because of water exposure itself. This statement is an example of how information can be presented in a way that sounds alarming but is actually trivial.
https://www.dhmo.org/
By: CaptainN-
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/140074/mozilla-integrating-ai-chatbots-into-firefox/#comment-10441111">Marshal Jim Raynor</a>.
ChatGPT
What are the downsides of drinking water?
While drinking water is essential for health, there can be downsides if consumed improperly or in excess. Here are some potential downsides:
Water Intoxication (Hyponatremia): Consuming an excessive amount of water in a short period can dilute the sodium in your blood, leading to a dangerous condition called hyponatremia. Symptoms include headache, nausea, vomiting, confusion, and in severe cases, seizures, coma, or death.
Electrolyte Imbalance: Drinking too much water can disrupt the balance of electrolytes in your body, which are crucial for muscle function and other physiological processes.
Overhydration: Excessive water intake can strain your kidneys, which are responsible for filtering excess water and maintaining electrolyte balance. Overhydration can lead to kidney damage over time.
Disruption of Sleep: Drinking large amounts of water before bed can cause frequent trips to the bathroom during the night, disrupting sleep.
Contaminated Water: Drinking water from unsafe or contaminated sources can expose you to harmful pathogens, chemicals, or heavy metals, leading to various health issues such as gastrointestinal infections, chronic diseases, or acute poisoning.
Mineral Deficiency: If the water you consume is highly purified and stripped of minerals (e.g., distilled water), it may lead to a deficiency in essential minerals over time.
Interference with Digestion: Drinking too much water during meals can dilute stomach acid, potentially impairing digestion and the absorption of nutrients.
Increased Urinary Frequency: Excessive water intake can lead to frequent urination, which can be inconvenient and potentially lead to dehydration if not balanced properly.
Overall, it's important to consume water in moderation and be mindful of the quality of the water you drink. The general recommendation is to drink when you're thirsty and to pay attention to your body's signals.