By: Nico57
Forbes put out a nice cover of the incident.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/barrycollins/2024/07/01/has-microsofts-ai-chief-just-made-windows-free/
By: gagol2
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/140088/microsoft-all-content-on-the-web-is-fair-use/#comment-10441206">Alfman</a>.
I had a feeling you would appreciate my renewed opinion, but i am much more curious regarding Thom’s standing on the idea. Of course accepting that intelligence is a topology and not anything sacred is difficult to accept, but also raise much more serious ethical issues as it would require humans to treat robots as citizens and not the disposable slaves we see them for.
By: densus88
https://advertongue.com/
By: Alfman
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/140088/microsoft-all-content-on-the-web-is-fair-use/#comment-10441204">gagol2</a>.
gagol2,
<blockquote>If i put content publicly available in hope for intelligences to stumble upon it and maybe learn something, what difference does it makes if said intelligence is supported by a biological substrate or electrological substrate?</blockquote>
Yeah, learning should not be illegal. Copyright infringement means reproducing/redistributing works without permission, but both AI and humans can learn in generalizations that do not reproducing original content. I generally agree with the EFF's take...
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/12/no-robotstxt-how-ask-chatgpt-and-google-bard-not-use-your-website-training
<blockquote>Both OpenAI and Google have released guidance for website owners who do not want the two companies using the content of their sites to train the company's large language models (LLMs). We've long been supporters of the right to scrape websites—the process of using a computer to load and read pages of a website for later analysis—as a tool for research, journalism, and archivers. We believe this practice is still lawful when collecting training data for generative AI, but the question of whether something should be illegal is different from whether it may be considered rude, gauche, or unpleasant. As norms continue to develop around what kinds of scraping and what uses of scraped data are considered acceptable, it is useful to have a tool for website operators to automatically signal their preference to crawlers. Asking OpenAI and Google (and anyone else who chooses to honor the preference) to not include scrapes of your site in its models is an easy process as long as you can access your site's file structure.</blockquote>
Websites can block robots, but in practice few owners do it.
This is osnews.com/robots.txt...
<blockquote>User-agent: *
Disallow: /actions
Disallow: /css
Disallow: /img
Disallow: /includes
Disallow: /js
Disallow: /templates
Disallow: /themes
Disallow: /utils
User-agent: Fasterfox
Disallow: /
User-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible;contxbot/1.0)
Disallow:</blockquote>
By: gagol2
If i put content publicly available in hope for intelligences to stumble upon it and maybe learn something, what difference does it makes if said intelligence is supported by a biological substrate or electrological substrate?
By: Z_God
What about those copies of the leaked Microsoft Windows source code that people pushed to GitHub?
By: Tin Worlock
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/140088/microsoft-all-content-on-the-web-is-fair-use/#comment-10441174">tux2bsd</a>.
...and so should be various MS source code leaks. Fair for copyright infringement purposes. They are on the internet, after all...
By: sukru
People joke about this, but I actually like this stand.
Web used to be open, and anything you could access was fair use. Now we have dark patterns, "single page progressive web applications", and uncrawlable websites like Amazon which hide their content behind dynamic frontends.
Even the web archive is incomplete, and a huge chunk of human knowledge erodes every day.
So, even if it is Microsoft, someone says "let's keep a record of it all, and learn from it, at least in machine learning sense" it is better than having all those go to obsolescence.
By: tux2bsd
In reply to <a href="https://www.osnews.com/story/140088/microsoft-all-content-on-the-web-is-fair-use/#comment-10441171">Tin Worlock</a>.
MS kinda turns a blind eye to that stuff as they know it keeps people trapped in using their products.
By: Tin Worlock
This should go both ways. If he insists all content on the web is fair use, so is warez, very much including Microsoft products and associated cracks, keygens etc.