Submitted by The Ubuntu team not only released the first release candidate for Edgy Eft (release notes), but also started pondering their next release, dubbed the ‘Feisty Fawn’. “In the next cycle we’ll expand on the brand new infrastructure that has landed in Edgy as well as branching out in some exciting new directions. This combination of courage and restlessness is also found in a young deer that sets out to explore a world that is new and exciting – seeing the world through eyes unprejudiced by what has gone before. In that spirit, the release will be be code named ‘The Feisty Fawn’.”
Hmmmm…
There development speed is pretty fast…GREAT!
It’s important to note that Core 2 Duo support is still broken in Ubuntu (Dapper and current releases) for many people.
See this page for more information:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core_2_Duo_Support
I’m rather disappointed that this isn’t in the release notes.
Edited 2006-10-19 19:05
I had been reading that the latest daily builds had fixed at least some of the issues with the Jmicro controllers not working properly. I’m hoping these issues are ironed out soon, since I’ll be building a Core 2 Duo system within the next few days.
Any word on if this affects systems with a regular Pentium D dual-core CPU?
As noted in the wiki, the issue is with the lack of an IDE controller native to the intel chip set on some mobos. So any system built on this shipset and including a reliance on a combination of PATA and SATA drives will have problems, it shows up as a core 2 issue as it is a common chipset used in core 2 supporting boards.
The most recent daily builds include Andrew Morton’s changes that fix this problem and most people have now been able to install OK. I was one of the people suffering this until about 4 or 5 days ago also… I had got a dapper kubuntu up using a USB cd rom drive but couldn’t access my system’s main drive until putting the 16102006 edgy build on.
On behalf of all Ubuntu users everywhere, I’d just like to say *groan* *giggle* *grin*
Nice to see they’re continuing their bonkers naming strategy. Go Ubuntu!
Well, “Feisty Fawn” is just a code name (though I too like their “bonkers naming strategy”). 7.04 will be the official name the next release.
I’m disgusted, this ain’t right. They did this for Edgy as well before Dapper was released. Focus on current development for the upcoming release, make sure that’s up to standard of whoever’s in charge for the release, make sure everyone’s happy and then put it out. After that’s been released, then we can discuss what needs to be fixed, what needs changing or improving on for the next release. I just think it’s better to put all your weight into the current project before discussing where to go with the next one, because we still have to see how the final outcome of the current one bears, let’s not jump ahead until we see the end product for this release worked out well.
Corporations and Enterprises need a well laid out future roadmap they can work with.
Three points:
(1) Edgy Eft is scheduled to be release in 7 days.
(2) Not all developers work on a particular release. I am sure, at any given time, a few of them are working on features that will not complete on time and so have been pushed to a later release (what used to be called Edgy+1 so far). Also, there is a very good chance that developers that do bug fixes may not be the same ones who work on the next release – unless there is a big (“all-hands-on-deck” type of) security issue.
(3) If you read the post, it says “Detailed planning will take place at the developer summit next month in Mountain View, California.” The post actually says very little per se. (One could almost debate if it is really news. I bet most comments will be about the funny naming convention). I read it more of placeholder to name the the next release and invite people to start thinking about what they want in it.
Edited 2006-10-19 19:45
What is this “we”. Are you part of the Ubuntu team?
In any case, Edgy is in RC. If you need everyone to throw their weight into the current product and its not really a release candidate is it?
In theory, absolutely nothing but release procedure should happen between now and when Edgy is released. No wonder people have time to think about what’ll be in Feisty.
In any case, Edgy is in RC. If you need everyone to throw their weight into the current product and its not really a release candidate is it?
In theory, absolutely nothing but release procedure should happen between now and when Edgy is released. No wonder people have time to think about what’ll be in Feisty.
Hopefully users will be busy testing the release candidate and reporting any bugs they encounter, while developers should be busy fixing the reported bugs. That’s what a release candidate is really all about, isn’t it?
No, that’s what the beta and all the previews were about. The release candidate should just be renamed to the final release, with no changes whatsoever. Historically, the changes between RC and final versions of Ubuntu are minor, and of the sort that only a fraction of developers are involved. Developers who work deep in the GNOME code aren’t going to be changing a thing during the RC, and probably wouldn’t be much use in fixing RC bug reports (stuff like “RC still reports itself as development version”).
Historically, the changes between RC and final versions of Ubuntu are minor, and of the sort that only a fraction of developers are involved.
I don’t know how many developers are involved in making changes in Ubuntu after RC but my perception is that a lot of changes do actually happen in Ubuntu after the RC is out, even after the final release is out.
It’s not unusual that just a week or two after a new Ubuntu release, you need to download over a hunderd megs of updates. Are these all just security updates or are there bug fixes included, I really haven’t bothered to check that out, but such a massive amount of updates suggests that they can’t all be just security related fixes.
My uninformed guess has so far been that this is the price you pay for timely releases — you need to fix some things afterwards if you want to stay on the release schedule. If you are better informed on the actual content of those after-release updates, you are welcome to straighten out my misconceptions.
Well, the release cycle has been shorter than usual after the delayed Dapper Drake release and there isn’t much exciting in Edgy Eft, except upstart (that is currently only half-functional), slightly changed artwork and the usual software updates (with some beta versions pushed in to make Edgy look more bleeding edge). And Dapper wasn’t too exciting release, either. With Dapper Drake Ubuntu concentrated on fixing bugs and increasing stability rather than introducing new features.
Perhaps Ubuntu devs now think that they need to create some extra momentum by advertising in advance the new features in Edgy+1 (Feisty Fawn) that they simply didn’t have the time to implement in Edgy Eft. The developers themselves don’t seem too excited about Edgy Eft — in their blogs the devs have already started discussing the features that are planned for Edgy+1 and Canonical doesn’t even offer Edgy Eft from ShipIt.
Nothing exciting in Eft? They updated Gnome from 2.14 to 2.16 and many other applications get hefty updates. For Dapper the order of the day was safety due to LTS but caution was thrown to the wind for new features in Eft even though a lot of the new features were not immediately evident to users [eg Xorg update].
Eft was more about building a foundation for future releases after the stability-oriented Dapper.
Revolution… Bon Echo… Longhorn… Panther… Fiesty Fawn.
I mean, really. If they have a marketing department, they must be weeping, and I feel their pain.
You said it yourself: it’s a codename for devs/testers/advanced users, what’s it got to do with a “marketing department”???
rehdon
Kubuntu Edgy is very impressive, the splash screen, login and artwork are very nice compared to Ubuntu.
It’s one of the best KDE implemented distros around, if not the best.
http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/
I am posting this from my Dual Core, jmicro, Intel 965 based Edgy install and it’s been working fine for almost a week now.
I installed this new motherboard in my system a few weeks ago and Dapper totally died on it.
I thought that the releases would alternate between being stable (enterprise use) and bleeding edge (introducing new technologies so that the wrinkles will be ironed out for the next enterprise relase).
Obiously, Dapper was the enterprise release, so that should make Edgy more bleeding edge. However, the only real ground breaking thing mentioned in the article (about Edgy that is) is start up. Here is an email from Mark Shuttleworth about Edgy (essentially an introduction to it just like the introduction to Fiesty Fawn): http://lwn.net/Articles/180562/
Here are some of the things Mark has to say about Edgy – “Edgy is all about cutting edge, perhaps bleeding edge,brand new code and infrastructure”; “interesting possibilities of the SMART package manager”; “Xgl/AIGLX and other wonderful wobbly window bits”; “We can afford to take some risks with Dapper+1”; “other pieces of infrastructure which have appeared tantalisingly
on the horizon”.
It does not look like Edgy is living up to it’s introduction. Fiesty looks be getting all of the 3D effects stuff and not Edgy. Sure, there is still a long way to go as far as 3D effects go, but why not get the community involved now by having the them use it sooner rather than later? There is no more mention of SMART (not even for Fiesty), which is surprising. I really wanted to see how Ubuntu could implement SMART. I really see nothing wrong with APT, I just wanted to see how creative Ubuntu can be, and what kind of risks they are willing to take. As for “bleeding edge” or “cutting edge” it just does not seem Edgy is that kind of release. Start up does, however, fall into that category about “interesting bits”.
I don’t fault Ubuntu for anything; it is normal that the things change, so I am not surprised that the official announcement does not correspond exactly to the final product. However, I hope that Fiesty really does have bleeding edge technology. Also, Ubuntu needs to work on differentiating themselves from the other enterprise Linx OS distros (Red Hat and Suse), and they won’t do that with consecutive conservative releases.
First: it’s not start up but upstart
Second: Mr Shuttleworth said he would let the developers decide to do what they would like to see implemented and it seemed that non of the devs were really interested in the 3D department, too bad I’d say, but 3D is something X.org, Gnome and KDE need to sort out, the xgl and compiz tricks just ain’t good enough at the moment.
Third: Edgy Eft is nothing what it claimed to be: edgy, but it is a more than a decent distro, pretty wel worked out and especially the KDE version shines in this area. Looks pretty neat, even with the purple color scheme.
Compiz isn’t good enough?
Are you on crack?
Compiz/Beryl both make Mac OS X and Vista look old…
What you have to say is true, but the caveat is when it works. Here is a good synopsis of what hardware works with 3D exceleration: http://beranger.org/index.php?article=1740
The Nvidia driver version 9625 which will support compiz/bery via Xorg 7.1 and AIGLX is in “beta” status at this time.
It won’t be too long before it is released.
If I decide to get Edgy Eft when it is formally released, I will just hold off on installing 3D support until such time as the nviidia driver version 9625 is no longer in beta.
Actually, nVIDIA released driver 9626, which is already not beta. It supports AIGLX out of the box. Now i’m running compiz on my nvidia card, without any additional aiglx/xgl stuff, I only installed compiz, that’s it!
Sad side is that Edgy doesn’t have any new artwork.. it uses Dappers one.. Two weeks before it had, but now they removed that wallpaper/login screen etc..
//Actually, nVIDIA released driver 9626, which is already not beta.//
According to this site:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
… the latest version is:
Linux IA32
Latest Version: 1.0-8776
There is a difference between flashy, and useful and well-integrated into the system. Compiz is still at the former stage (like OS X 10.0 was). It’ll be awhile (and it will get less flashy), by the time its a mature design.
As for XGL, OS X 10.0 makes it look like the hack it is…
Ubuntu:
1024×768 – http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.p…
800×600 – http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.p…
Kubuntu:
1024×768 – http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.p…
800×600 – http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.p…
Those screenshots are all for 6.06, i.e. Dapper.
//Those screenshots are all for 6.06, i.e. Dapper.//
The set that I just looked at was entitled:
“Kubuntu 6.10 RC Screenshot Walkthrough, by The Coding Studio.”
6.10 RC is the release candidate for Edgy Eft. Not Dapper.
uhh..no they have both dapper and edgy, if you look on the main page
Argh, my bad.
OK I’m going to make some complaints about this release…or “troll” as you people call it
How is this edgy or even considered a new OS upgrade? I’m looking through the release notes and the upstart thing sounds great. I ran beta1 in VMware but I’m sure it works well. Now how about the other upgrades to this operating system:
“new bootup splash” <– ok..
“tomboy” <– ugliest, plainest notes app ever
“f-spot” <– another point for edgy
“evolution” <– a new version with ..vertical panes. k
“firefox rc2” <– yea anyone can download that. The developers didn’t write one line of code for this
“openoffice” <– same as above, plus it blows compared to MS office
“Gaim 2.0.3.1 beta” <– same as above and with trillian as the comparison
“orca” <– never used it so I can’t comment
“new theme” <– ok..
“new firefox theme” <– ok..
“new login screen and login splash” <– ok..
“rounded window borders” <– ok..
“wallpaper” <– are you kidding me?
“new translations” <– another point for edgy
My point is that things like wallpaper, sounds and apps that you didn’t even code should not be stuff you brag about for an operating system ..let alone for one that you hail as “edgy.” I was seriously excited about this release when shuttleworth first announced it at the end of dappers development
Edited 2006-10-20 04:12
Well, I’m not trying to say that this release has a lot of great stuff, but what does any release have besides new apps and art? Mainly backend improvements that the user doesn’t see. Which is what this release has. Just like with Ubuntu’s previous releases. Just like with new releases from other distros.
Maybe you would appreciate it more if they went into the details of the faster boot and shutdown time, or new kernel modifications, or better hardware support in general? I guess I agree that they may be bragging about the wrong things, but for me this release has as much good new stuff as any of their other ones.
If you want to see what’s really been done (apart form syncing new upstream apps) you should look at the edgy specs page here:
https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+specs
Click on the ‘delivery’ column title twice to get a list of all the specs implemented in edgy, it’s a fairly large list.
As Shuttleworth suggested in his intro to edgy email, one of the major focuses has been infrastructure, within the distro and with the development infrastructure.
and mostly under the hood (besides upstart) Edgy really looks like a point release – except Ubuntu doesn’t have that kind of releases in principle. That said, it is very nice indeed – you only have to change the default artwork, which is crappy as usual
i don’t see why some people are so riled up about being disappointed by this release. shuttlesworth made it clear early on that this release is not for everyone, that their bread-and-butter release was and still is 6.06 (dapper).
so the developers didn’t play much with this release. big deal. it’s not as if all of these developers are paid to work on ubuntu everyday. a lot of them work for free.
besides, four months isn’t too much time to put in new stuff. programming is not as easy as people think it is. take a look at MS. people pay for their OS, and yet it took them years to create vista, with a lot of the more touted feature upgrades shelved.
seriously, i think most people demand too much for something that they freely get and didn’t even contribute code to.
Carefully read this letter from Shuttleworth that I linked to earlier: http://lwn.net/Articles/180562/
It is not that people demand too much, it is that he hyped this release more than it delievers. He talks about cutting and bleeding edge stuff, and you can put upstart in that group but that is about it.
True he mentions creating a new infrastructure, and and he also mentions that the developers are going to have the greatest say in what is going on. So why then did he allude to so many things that just aren’t there? It is not that Ubuntu needs more press or community interest.
Now, if you look at the announcement for Fiesty, you see a lot of similarities to the Edgy statement. What I am saying is that Ubuntu had best follow through with their hype.
dubbed the ‘Feisty Fawn’.
Am now waiting for: notorious/naughty newt, freakin’ frog*, hyper horse, and zany zebra.
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*
http://www.freakinfrog.com/ — and wouldn’t that be an interesting bit of cross promotion?
Edgy actually feels very much like a minor upgrade… with two exceptions:
OEM Installation and Upstart.
Upstart has been debated a lot on this site, its neat, it seems to be going in the right direction, but many consider it a waste of effort. Personally I don’t reboot enough to really care.
This OEM Installation method seems promising though. Especially if they push it the right way, Ubuntu is by far the best distro for new users. I’d really like to see (K)Ubuntu boxes at Fry’s etc… possibilities for this kind of thing are exciting…
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu_OEM_Installer_Overview
https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuOEMInstaller