KolibriOS is an operating system for the PC, written in assembly, which is based on the source code of MenuetOS. It fits on a single floppy. Some of the features are: NTFS read support, AC’97 player, drivers for Fat12/16/32/ISO9660, tcp/ip stack, network applications include ftp/http/mp3 servers, GUI with resolutions up to 1280×1024, 16 million colours, over 150 programs (text editor, paint editor, file managers, games, etc.), and much more.
can be used as an emergency disk now.
Good move.
Kolibri guys have just removed the copyright from Menuet32 kernel.asm, which they have absolutely no right doing.
Thats the reason Menuet64 is now closed source. Without violations like Kolibri, there would be much more open source software.
I’ve reported this to FSF.
You have to download KolibriOS source and check out the kernel.asm, before saying this bullshit. KolibriOS team discussed copyright directly with MenuetOS author (yes, with you Username: michael135 (user 8007) Real Name: vt), so there is no any problems.
Discussion about copyright: http://meos.sysbin.com/viewtopic.php?t=638&start=45
Quote from kernel.asm
“;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;
;;
;; Kolibri OS – based on source code Menuet OS, but not 100% compatible.
;;
;; See file COPYING or GNU.TXT for details with these additional details:”
So the copyright is removed without permission.
Removing the copyright without permission is always wrong.
The discussion points us to
; Copyright (C) 2001-2004 Ville Michael Turjanmaa. All rights reserved.
; Copyright (C) 2004-2007 KolibriOS team. All rights reserved
, but we didn’t hear answer from you in topic
http://meos.sysbin.com/viewtopic.php?t=638&start=45 and because of it we don’t changed kernel.asm.
Edited 2007-02-15 19:50
I never gave you the permission to modify existing Menuet copyright in any way.
One of our guys will write you message about continuation of discussion.
That’s no good.
The header in kernel.asm should look like very similar to this:
;=================================================================
; Copyright (C) 2001-2004 Ville Michael Turjanmaa. All rights reserved.
; Copyright (C) 2004-2007 KolibriOS team. All rights reserved.
;=================================================================
;
; Data in this file was originally part of MenuetOS project which is
; distributed under the terms of GNU GPL. It is modified and redistributed as
; part of KolibriOS project under the terms of GNU GPL.
;
; KolibriOS is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY
; WARRANTY. No author or distributor accepts responsibility to anyone for the
; consequences of using it or for whether it serves any particular purpose or
; works at all, unless he says so in writing. Refer to the GNU General Public
; License (the “GPL”) for full details.
;
; Everyone is granted permission to copy, modify and redistribute KolibriOS,
; but only under the conditions described in the GPL. A copy of this license
; is supposed to have been given to you along with KolibriOS so you can know
; your rights and responsibilities. It should be in a file named COPYING.
; Among other things, the copyright notice and this notice must be preserved
; on all copies.
;
;=================================================================
I’m big on copyright defense over GPL – but guess what? Let’s review some terms:
1. You may copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Program’s source code as you receive it, in any medium, provided that you conspicuously and appropriately publish on each copy an appropriate copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty; keep intact all the notices that refer to this License and to the absence of any warranty; and give any other recipients of the Program a copy of this License along with the Program.
They did exactly that… It has a copyright listed to menuet, still links to the GPL, which means Menuet has little if anything to say about how or even what they do with it.
If you are dumb enough to release something under the GPL, you have to be ready for the fact ANYONE can come along, slap their name on it, and walk away… AND copyright any derivitive bits that are unique to their version and not part of the original code.
Of course, the real kicker is that by closing their source recently – the folks behind Menuet have in fact itself violated the GPL and ‘spirit’ of free software as all derivitive works are supposed to remain open source as well… Which is a HEALTHY portion of why a lot of businesses steer clear of the GPL like the plague.
Funny thing is, I’m on menuet’s side from a ‘rights’ perspective – but have to laugh at the foolishness of anyone who uses a ‘Free software’ license. You opened the bottle, good luck getting the genie back in.
Edited 2007-02-16 06:17
Troll.
Anyway, I’ll reply nicely – though you don’t deserve it.
1) The Menuet copyright-holders are not violating any spirit in the GPL by changing the license from GPL to proprietary. This is perfectly legal for the copyright-holders to do. Breaking the spirit of the GPL means you are complying with the terms of the GPL without complying with the spirit of the GPL. Since Menuet is no longer released under the GPL they cannot possibly be violating anything.
Add to that the fact that the Menuet versions released under the GPL is still under the GPL. Only newer versions have changed the license.
2) When releasing something under the GPL it doesn’t mean you lose the copyright to your intellectual property. It does not mean that people can remove copyright notices. You have a very twisted understanding of the GPL and FLOSS in general.
3) What is foolish about using a FLOSS-license? I don’t consider OpenBSD foolish. Even Microsoft has released software under the GPL and they have their own share of licenses which can be considered FLOSS. Even a so-called “viral license” like the GPL.
What’s a floppy disk?
“What’s a floppy disk?”
Something most people outside USA and Africa stopped using 10 years ago.
Edited 2007-02-16 20:35
dylansmrjones, we submit that header to Vt and waiting for his agreement.
>Something most people outside USA and Africa stopped using 10 years ago.
We boot it from NTFS-partitions of harddrives, so KolibriOS is 10 years ahead of Menuet from your words…
Just a note: not all files from Menuet and MenuetOS kernel were GPLed and after 3,5 years of work the MenuetOS part in Kolibri is very small.
I really get tired of this attitude. Just because something is old does not make it useless. For example, WinXP still requires a floppy if you need to install hard drive controller drivers. Also, is there really any reason not to have one installed if you already have one laying around?
Just because something is old does not make it useless.
Amen! (From a BeOS fan)
I have a PII@400MHz with 256MB SDRAM @ 100MHZ and S3 Virge PCI gfx card. Will Kolibrios have tolerable performance on such a thing?
Thanks.
>not all files from Menuet and MenuetOS kernel were GPLed
I mean that there are files, which just Free Software without any licence header.
> S3 Virge
Where are a lot of types of old S3 cards. Some of these types supported, others isn’t You will get 640×480 resolution, if you lucky guy.
The support of new (old) hardware is more like:
1) find specification;
2) find tester with such a hardware.
If you want to be the tester, then register at
http://meos32.7.forumer.com/ and we would think about your card.
Actually it is possible to get high resolutions at your card, you just need to 1)remove comments at vesa12.inc for “set_bank for S3 videocards, work on S3 ViRGE PCI (325)”; 2) comment the current set_bank and 3)compile kernel.
Edited 2007-02-19 09:47