At OSAlert, we have kept you updated about the Amiga hardware announced by ACK controls. Supposedly ready for shipping in May, we are now in the second half of September, and still no hardware. Interestingly, nor ACK Controls, nor Amiga, Inc., will be present at the upcoming Amiga show Pianeta Amiga – leading to the inevitable conclusion that like so many other announcements in the Amiga world, this one was yet another big puff of air. All hope is not lost, though: ACube Systems has announced the SAM440ep, a PowerPC board, of which industrial versions are already available (according to ACube). The consumer version is supposedly ready to ship starting 22nd September 2007, and interestingly, Hyperion will be present at the ACube booth at Pianeta Amiga. Finally, new Amiga hardware? Seeing is believing, many will say.
i hate to say this but…just let it die….dragging it out like this only makes it worse. I hate to look back on the amiga and think of this instead of how it was in the good old days.
go gently into that good night.
I agree, it’s time the amiga rests in peace along the ST, the genesis and all those things from the 80’s and 90’s that kids call oldschool today…
The Genesis will die the day they make a Sonic game better than Sonic 2. i.e. never gonna happen.
At least he didn’t have the insolence of saying the NES is dead.
Not before Nintendo releases a PROPER Ninja Gaiden Trilogy to a more modern console, no, it isn’t.
(I’m looking at you, Wii Virtual Console…)
The NES is dead!
That’s it, I had the insolence to say it
I had a SMS anyways (which is even “deader”)
Not only that but think of all of the projects that were held back because the next Amiga replacement was perpetually “18 months away”.
Yeah. Just like bloody Linux. I wish those geeks would just leave it alone and let that die too. It’s just a Geeks version of Windows. ;P
Damn it!
I was told that Duke Nukem forever was going to be ported on Amiga!
Really. I mean: I agree that a lot of the 80s/90s systems had advantages that either are still unmatched or could lend advantages to newer systems. But the Amiga has been dead. So has the ST etc. If you still enjoy Sonic 2 on the Genesis, continue to do so. It doesn’t mean that we need to revive any hardware/projects.
If you see a truly great benefit of “old hardware” or an “old system”, go for it. Make it work for linux, Windows or Mac OS X.
Want an Amiga? There are still some working devices around.
The problem is that those operating systems take too long to boot up, slog through their swap files, and shut down. ADDING stuff to them will only make the problem WORSE. We need somebody to subtract some of the overhead.
I’ve got a Zenwalk Linux dual-boot on my desktop waiting for adequate dial-up internet support but other than that it’s fast enough and doesn’t need to swap very often or anything. The micro-builds need more attention and monsters like Fedora and SUSE need less.
That overhead is all those services a modern OS needs unless someone would like to stick 1980 like era of functionality. Delete all daemons from init script and you will see Linux booting immediately.
I’ll have to disagree with you on that. The startup time of e.g. Linux is partly because SysV style init can be improved upon considerably, and partly because a lot of stuff is jammed into an essentially linear, synchronous, initialisation that isn’t needed I.e. I don’t have a BlueTooth controller on any of my machines, nor PCMCIA slots. I don’t have an HP printer either, but Ubuntu will still always start HP-PLIP for some reason.
… but mostly by writing code in SDL and OpenGL and porting it over. I hear MorphOS is in a similar situation.
I do have a MicroA1-c but, even after a friend of mine fixed it, it sits unused most of the time. Cygnix will make some Linux code portable to it by simulating X11 APIs and therefore make Firefox, wxWidgets-based software, and GNOME a reality on it. It may see some use then.
In the meantime I have Fedora 7 on my laptop and will wrestle with it until it recognizes my wireless card. I also have Windows XP on my old Penium III destop that I bought to run AmigaDE with back in the olden days.
… that is the most links I have ever seen in a summary of an OSAlert article…
Edited 2007-09-17 21:48 UTC
I counted 13, and for those that are superstitious, perhaps it means OSAlert has jinxed yet another Amiga Community Extravaganza
(Not that Amiga and the community needs any outside “help” as it is clearly capable of self-defeating itself for hardware/software releases that real people can actually buy, get delivered, and use)
I have said it before, I will say it again – change platform!
I really liked the amiga OS (3.x) back in the early 90s. It was a great OS! Commodore messed up, subsequent owners of the amiga name and IP messed up. What Amiga, Inc. needs to do is forget about hardware! Or rather, forget about PPC. Do what Apple did. If you want to make hardware, base it on intel/amd. make your OS run on intel/amd. make an kick-arse emulator for all your classic apps!
move the OS to the 21st century, leave obsolete hardware behind.
it’s the only way you will get old aficionados and new people on your platform.
Well, there is some kind of x86 AmigaOS, it is called AROS. It is free, it is nice, but it isn’t binary compatible (which won’t hapen, since the x86 architecture differs in endianess and AOS IPC is done by shared structures, the OS is not capsulated (different to – say – OS X where the x86 migration was easy because of the capsulation)).
A quite brilliant Amiga emulator is existing, UAE. With “Amiga Forverver”, there is a nice package available to just start off.
Anyway, only those not familiar with the Amiga situation have thought there could be something to expect from Ack. Ack has really a bad track record. Thus, their failure comes at no surprise – quite the opposite, I’d have been quite surprised if there had been coming something…
Edited 2007-09-17 23:50
Personally, i came from Amiga-OS (1.2, 1.3, 2.0, 3.1) and then switched to Mac OS, mainly for job reasons (graphics design)… Deep in my heart i still like my old Amiga-OS (i haven’t any Amigas anymore), but it simply couldn’t keep up the pace. Which was mainly C=’s fault in lousy support, lousy R&D support for their own engineers. Well, screw that. Now i’m using OS X and it’s such a hog, a CPU-HOG, it EATS every resource and doesn’t deliver that speed you were expecting when thinking of 2007.
BeOS was a breath of fresh air and i went for it right after release, bought the OS, Sadly it failed. Now we’re doomed using OS X or Vista, two over-bloated POS-OS (I need *mainstream* apps, so don’t tell my anything about linux, tried that, nice, but pretty useless for me). Adobe has finally managed to tighten up their monopoly in DTP. Great times – Have a nice day! (Does this sound frustrated? Yes.)
Yeah, it’s rather cool how one flash page in OS X can put more or less 100% load on my 2.2GHz Core 2 Duo Macbook Pro ..
Aergh, and i was thinking about getting a MBP very soon. At least i can also use XP or Vista (via bootcamp), maybe the performace is a little better with these OS?
Flash sucks on the Mac side of things – I think you can blame Adobe/Macromedia for that.
Flash always suck, but especially on mac.
I hate pages with sound, weird navigation, animations I have to wait for, not beeing able to copy links or open them in new tabs, and so on.
So I could survive just fine without flash if it wasn’t for the great (?) idea to make videos flash applications.
Flash, gaming and OpenGL performance will be better in XP.
But who buys a mac to run XP? That’s quite retarded.
I don’t know where OS X is faster than Windows, if anything, it’s said to be better for music production.
Anyway there are some nice apps for OS X, and I got this machine just because I have always wanted a mac since my old AmigaOS VS Dos/Win3.11 and Win95 experiences which told me it was crap. So then came OS X and I thought that it seemed better, but nowadays with XP SP2 Windows have improved a lot so I don’t know if it makes sense to go with OS X.
Apple should focus way more on macs and OS X and less on phones, music players, network appliances and similair if you ask me as computer geek ;D
What I still am looking for is probably some perverted open-source mixture of Haiku, Syllable and AROS. Lightweight free AmigaOS like modern multimedia OS!
As if such a thing will ever happen, the (FL)OSS camp is hevaily fragmented to say the the absolute minimum, just look at the Amiga community (of which two sides despise (FL)OSS), they’ll rather have three different OSs with trippled efforts for development resulting in the same degree of advances.
Edited 2007-09-18 10:43
>But who buys a mac to run XP? That’s quite retarded.
Not at all. Besides i wouldn’t buy a Mac to run XP all the time, BUT to run OS X and XP when needed for certain tasks that simply suck in OS X.
Personally i think it’s the smallest evil. I can run OS X to use all my DTP-Apps and switch to XP for Gaming, etc.
Choice is always good.
“Not at all. Besides i wouldn’t buy a Mac to run XP all the time, BUT to run OS X and XP when needed for certain tasks that simply suck in OS X.”
I meant to only run XP, thought to be dual booting would be almost as bad because all I wanted OS X for where some commercial apps and games, but if I dualboot with Windows FreeBSD + KDE would do just fine aswell since I would have plenty of both, so no need for OS X then.
“I’ll have to disagree with you on that. The startup time of e.g. Linux is partly because SysV style init can be improved upon considerably, and partly because a lot of stuff is jammed into an essentially linear, synchronous, initialisation that isn’t needed I.e. I don’t have a BlueTooth controller on any of my machines, nor PCMCIA slots. I don’t have an HP printer either, but Ubuntu will still always start HP-PLIP for some reason.”
And it’s impossible to remove/not start it? I doubt that .. I guess it’s there to help users who might connect their or someone else HP printer, not that weird..
“I remember when people wrote off Apple, Microsoft won the battle. Yet Apple did have a comeback, even thought Apple could not offer anything that Microsoft couldn’t already do…”
I guess the most likely scenario if any would be the MorphOS team opening their source, but I don’t know how likely that are to happen.
Anyway, Apple never “came back”, they had 14% market share in mid 80s, they have 3% now. They earn money from other products and the stock market are happy but the mac aren’t as big as it was, and if they keep on doing business like they do it will never be either (clones / more configs / cheaper prices / cooler OS / serious effort to get games to the platform / be able to use regular of the shelf hardware instead of “mac graphics cards” / …) and they MIGHT get there.
“They did, look up Amithlon”
Amithlon where just an amiga emulator.
“You’re forgetting Hyperion and whatever is left of Hagge. The while Amiga thing is so convoluted, with so much bad blood… and yet projects like the MiniMig show that anything is possible.”
I would guess he meant AmigaOS, not specificly Amiga Inc, probably not Amiga Inc at all considering their track record and how they behave. Thought the question is who owns AmigaOS 4 and can decide over it.
Good points. I never used the Amiga but a few months ago I started looking over viable OSes. I wanted to get a real sense of what was out there (I do one of these type of searches every few years). I covered all the basic ones (XP, Linuxes/BSDs, Macs, Sun, RiscOS – middle ground stuff like plan9, etc and even looked at the experimentals again).
When I got to the Amiga, I was thoroughly impressed. If it was a viable platform – no question I would have given it a shot. There’s some really interesting reading about the platform at their official site that had me glued the whole time (plus a few articles at Ars Technica):
http://os4.hyperion-entertainment.biz/
Good stuff (memory, file structure, speed, shell… All clean and well put together). The kind of system equally at home at the desk or in your pocket. Of course… means nothing until tested in the field…
I agree – equally frustrated here also. For the last few years (ever since the death of the BeOS), I feel like every OS choice available is a compromise. Oh well..
At any rate, I still wish their team the best and hope that one day they get it it together.
Even BeOS was to some extent a compromise, but for the hardware of the day, wow was is awesome.
I still use it. I still love it.
Part of me wishes I could let go… but I just can’t do it.
They did, look up Amithlon, but they then got into a shouting match with their OS partner, Hagge and Partner, so they took their (older-version mind you) OS and went to someone else, who put it on PPC.
Or… and this would be a big gamble… base it on the CELL:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_microprocessor
From what I’ve read, AmigaOS4 doesn’t need much in the way of raw processing power but future applications certainly do.
AmigaOS4 is an awesome OS. It needs a number of critical apps out of the box (browser, comprehensive mutltiMedia codec support and a few other nuts and bolts).
Personally I’d love to see a DB (MySQL), a few languages (Python, PHP, Rebol-IOS), and Server software (http, ftp, email) as part of any OS these days.
Making them a part of AmigaOS4 means that if immediate support isn’t available via client apps, you can still get alot of work done with Web Apps running on the client-side (or over the wan).
Throw in the CELL processor and the AmigaOS4 could represent the future of digital computing (HDTV, gaming, super-computing, etc..). It would certainly standout.
It would still be a niche market but it would get the attention of many of the power players in the field (as well as power users).
ok… maybe I’m pushing it a bit much here (porting to the CELL is very difficult)… but a guy can dream, can’t he?
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You know nothing of AmigaOS situation, do you?
Except for the browser Amiga has almost everything.
And MorphOS, the AmigaOS clone has a good browser called Sputnik browser which it is currently being developed.
3rd public beta it is available for all MorphOS users.
It is based on KHTML. So it supports everything, HTML 4.0 and also CSS.
Soon we will see Firefox for AmigaOS, thanks to X11 Cygnix graphic engine…
Demo of it should being seen at Pianeta Amiga Exhibit on 22 and 23 september 2007.
Sputnik also it is being developed for AmigaOS thanks to a bounty of 2000 US $ collected from Amiga users.
So the situation it is not that bad.
Codec situation lacks a bit, but we have mPlayer and all its associated codec working, and FFMpeg, MEncoder, MPEG2Enc and LAME for the audio.
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Amiga have already it!
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MorphOS already have Pyhton.
Amiga since AmigaOS 4.0 July 2007 update has an updated version of Python.
Python should also became the substitute for ARexx Amiga scripting language.
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What do you mean with PHP? You write PHP pages just simply by editing a text in a text-editor.
Amiga also has Apache with PHP extensions to assembe it all and create sites.
If you mean to edit visually PHP pages in a graphic environment like FrontPage on Windows, this is another matter…
Then you need something like AMAYA web-editor of Linux, that is again already available into Amiga thru X11 graphic engine.
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Again here Rebol already existed for Amiga, but it wasn’t updated in recent version of this language, and so, as like other versions for other platforms, the very previous versions are no more available online, as this is the policy of Carl Sassenrath who created Rebol…
Rebol Italy team will attend Pianeta Amiga Exhibit on 22 and 23 september.
Then we will know if further versions of Amiga Rebol are on their way to come.
Remember that Cal Sassenrath it is the man who created AmigaDOS, so he has all the numbers to create new versions of Rebol for our machine…
Carl could create with ease even REBOL IOS versions for Amiga, if just he want so…
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Amiga has YAM and THOR which are two of the best e-mail clients ever written on any platforms…
Again ATC (Amiga Trading Center) it is one of the beautiful programs ever written for FTP, and also Amiga can add FTP remote services, as they were its own standard devices with FTPMount AmigaDOS command.
RC-FTPd it is a good ftp server for Amiga.
For any other FTP needings we have interstandard wget, httpresume, Charon, etc, whihc are available for various platforms.
Sure you need to learn again how much programs were created for Amiga, and about those which are still developed for this OS.
Edited 2007-09-19 17:58
You’re absolutely right – I know very little about the Amiga except what I’ve been reading on a few sites regarding the Operating System specifically. Thanks for the additional info. Many years ago I had to decide between DOS, Amiga, Mac, AtariST, the Apples, etc.. went the DOS route at the time – no regrets until the Win9.x series…
On another post on these same pages, I noted that I was thoroughly impressed by the technical aspects of the OS itself (in comparison to all the other viable alternatives). I did look for support programs (which is outside the scope of whether an OS is well-built or not) and found many of them dated. I see that YAM is still seeing development (that’s terrific) but THOR is pretty old – no big issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_e-mail_clients
If the platform begins to move forward there appears to be much support for this platform from many old-time users – many of whom I have found to be quite technical.
I’m glad that the server stuff looks covered (apache, php, etc..) as well as the codecs (most of the codecs you listed I have on my WinMachine out of necessity).
About Rebol, I recently rediscovered it and have spent many days working with it. I’m fairly up-to-date but holding off a bit because their version 3.0 will be different from the 2.x series. Very exciting cross-development product and with Carl in charge, I see no reason why Amiga wouldn’t be supported – though I should qualify my previous statement by saying that I hope that these technologies (rebol, apache, etc..) are shipped with the system out of the box (not they they aren’t available). I happen to think that server software has arrived for all OSes.
Again, thanks for the update on 3rd party support apps. AmigaOS is one of the few OSes I’m keeping an eye on because I appreciate good technology for it’s own sake (though I may soon be transitioning to FreeBSD but will always keep track of quality tech such as the AmigaOS).
I do find it kind of ridiculous to see so many childish attacks on the platform – apparently from people who insist on attacking any mention of alternative tech without actually looking at the technologies behind them. Sigh…
Edited 2007-09-20 03:43
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I knew of Wikipedia page comparing e-mail clints…
It was me adding Amiga programs into it… I noted the wiki-page lacks of any informations of Amiga programs and I wrote about these e-mal software, but I never had time to finish adding all informations about it, because I don’t know all technical features, and so I don’t know exactly what to write about Amiga software features…
Shame to me being such a lamer…
See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_software
Again this page also needs to be polished and finished, and all Amiga programs should be edited with their own link and wikipedia article related to it…
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I knew of Wikipedia page comparing e-mail clints…
It was me adding Amiga programs into it… I noted the wiki-page lacks of any informations of Amiga programs and I wrote about these e-mal software, but I never had time to finish adding all informations about it, because I don’t know all technical features, and so I don’t know exactly what to write about Amiga software features…
Shame to me being such a lamer…
See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_software
Again this page also needs to be polished and finished, and all Amiga programs should be edited with their own link and wikipedia article related to it…
And here you can see a parade of Amiga software running on an Efika computer by Genesi, equipped with MorphOS…
http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2007/07/efika-morphos.html
Edited 2007-09-20 07:52
LOL! Seriously, though, you’ve done good work for the platform. Not many people take the time to update wiki pages or update another user with all the info you provided.
I’m hopeful that Hyperion can get it all together soon – I really like what I’ve seen from this OS (from the microKernel to memory management). I have to agree with the original poster of this thread… I don’t think that the PPC is a compelling enough platform for users to consider a new OS (unless they had a line of hardware-based products to go along with it).
Years ago I used the hp200LX (handheld DOS machine which I still have):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_200lx
It was great to be able to run the same OS (and the same apps, same data formats) on different devices. I think Hyperion needs to rethink it’s long-term strategy about where they want to deliver this product. As a pure gaming machine (ala PSP which uses CELL tech but are finding that high-end tech isn’t always enough), a pocket PC/OQO style device, a subnotebook (like the ASUS Eee PC), a desktop for a niche platform, another OS in the now saturated intel/amd market, smartphone, embedded in a number of different products…
Given it’s small size and speed – it’s one of the few OSes suited to run on multiple vertical markets and varying powered hardware – unchanged (given the right platform) – similar to QNX in this regard. This is it’s biggest strength. This is something Apple is doing very effectively (though additional work needs to be done to have it run on lower-powered devices).
Given the frustrated remarks from many long-time Amiga users, this platform and the company behind it really needs to stop everything they’re doing and work on a clear attainable roadmap. How they’re conducting business now is really working against them.
Sigh… Amigans and their dreams.
If you dig into the usenet, you can read similar plans for “world domination” by Amigans in denial. First it was a port to the 80860. Then the 88K, then the Alpha. I have even read mixed Mips/80860 platforms. Then the PPC, etc. etc. etc.
All with the common denominator of how awesome the OS is. And it is just sad… let it go.
This is the trick, you could port all that crap to the CELL, spend years and money to do so. Or… here is a concept buy a cheap-o PC, install your favorite FOSS and be done with it in like 1/2 hour.
Please for the love of god Amigans, time to let it go. The late 80s are long gone… join the XXI century, your life and your loved ones will thank you for it.
What do you want ?
And…?!
Think about it, why do you _think_ ppl dont want to let it go if your precious Wendy, Lenny, or Mikey are so fantastic ?
Here’s a concep, read my below comment.
What favourite FOSS ? o_O
You dont happen to hint something with an “x” in it do you ? “favourite”, pleeaaase… you funny fellow you
So are the 60s, even _MORE_ gone, imagine that..
Naaah, some did actually thank me after I saved them from extensive brain- and eye damage after they happened (my mistake) to browse through a Linux Live CD filesystem, trust me they seemed like they’d spotted a ghost, imagine that too.
My pleasure!
Edited 2007-09-19 21:18
If you dig into the usenet, you can read similar plans for “world domination” by Amigans in denial. First it was a port to the 80860. Then the 88K, then the Alpha. I have even read mixed Mips/80860 platforms. Then the PPC, etc. etc. etc.
And…?!
….and well that other than talk and dream, Amiga is a dead platform. It is so death, that some of the platforms which people dreamed about for amiga to be ported as the future, are now actually dead. The irony of which I guess flew over your head at super sonic speeds.
And now to see yet another kiddie bringing yet another port wet dream… it is just sad.
Let it go guys… seriously.
Dr death ? I suppose you’re worried arent you ?
???
Well, why dont you then find yourself some friendly and warm corner, and sit down and cry out ?
Like I asked before, what do you want ? really !
God damn you have alot of hate in you.
It’s just a little tech talk initiated from a non-Amigan if you bothered to read some of my other posts. Probably too busy bu11sh1tting to notice.
Edited 2007-09-20 04:44
I’m glad i stopped to care about Amiga for some time now. Does honestly anyone still believe in it?
Well Aros Project could provide useful if they make linux stuff load on an amigaish platform we would have tons of appz to choose from in a friendly environment. Amigaos pre4.0 had a functionality partially based on Unix by the old commodore crew. DH1 Disk hard 1 or DF0 = disk floppy 1 in unux same things are HD1 and FD0.
The operating system senced when u put something in and automounted it on the desktop unlike picky unix/linuxes.
The benefit from a modern amigaos that runs linux stuff is ofcause easyness in usage and bringing fun to old times in a new way.
If by that you mean to have a _native_ os (including a _native_ kernel, _Exec_, though modernized with full MP and security.. someday) that runs some *nix apps through a *nix API environment and such, why not.
Having a hosted “OS” as a slave of a *nix kernel though is at least for me out of the question, why would I want to have to learn two different personalities ? such an “OS” will never be anything Amiga for me at least, although I dislike using analogies though in this context it’s partially fitting, why would I, why _should_ I, manage the *nix side of the environment, and if I already have a *nix kernel next I’d think “hey why not install some *nix components to run *nix apps, afterall there are so many apps!”, and after actually doing it, why would I then continue to use a hosted environment that does not have many apps (because developers would reason the same too, eventually, afterall one step leads to the next) ?
And how would you ever attract developers to write apps for a hosted environment when they can develop for the *nix side and have the app run everywhere including under your “OS” since you’d have a *nix sub-environment, so…
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AROS is an interesting project but development is very slow, so i don’t see myself using it for several more years… and even then… i like the idea of a small system with fast boot time and few overhead *but* there are some features worth sacrificing some speed and memory for, like memory protection. I can’t picture myself programming on a system without memory protection anymore, it is just too much pain in the rear end.
An Amiga OS that i would want to use would have to seamless integrate UAE or an equally good emulator, have memory protection and at least a basic set of everyday software (GIMP, good compatible Web browser, eMail client and OOo or an comparable Office suit).
Yea i ment aros (not hosted) running supporting linux/unix programs , that way amiga users will have an easier time to work programs with libs and such then unix/linux users that mostly have to work by the command line to actually do something.
Somebody contact Websters Dictionary, it’s time for a redefinition of the word “pathetic”!
Look at the pics on the Acube webside. The pictures show little Amiga icons and some of their booting shows show “Hyperion”. Got me what it means.
It probably means “don’t trust anything on this webpage, chances are high it’s bullshit” ;D
It comes from Genesi.
Ignore Amiga Inc and their bullshit, let them die and buy a system from Genesi if you want a new Amiga.
I wonder when Hyperion is going to return my Cyberstorm which they have had in their posession for the last 3 years and refuse to both communicate with me or send it back!!! and my money to repair it which they promised!
Just sue them… works wonders.
Without the Ainc hands at this point.
do not touch the amiga. let it be the best in its own age. nowadays it looks like suxx. http://prevedgame.ru/in.php?id=20508
After all these failed attempts why do people even bother? And why do people still wait with eager anticipation, knowing full well they’ll just be disappointed? Let it go already; don’t tarnish the great name of Amiga. Oh wait, too late.
I think the Amiga, MorphOS, and AROS should work together and select one platform and one OS. The market is far to small for 3 viable candidates.
IMHO Genesi has the best track record for releasing and supporting hardware in any quantity, so use the EFIKA(2). As far as the OS, all are fine products and the experts should pick the best one.
A huge longshot I know, lots of pride and bad blood to overcome. But they can capture a segment of users that want to use a different platform.
But I do firmly believe that they should go for it, the Amiga(like) platforms offer some benefits that the other OS’s do not.
I remember when people wrote off Apple, Microsoft won the battle. Yet Apple did have a comeback, even thought Apple could not offer anything that Microsoft couldn’t already do…
You’re forgetting Hyperion and whatever is left of Hagge. The while Amiga thing is so convoluted, with so much bad blood… and yet projects like the MiniMig show that anything is possible.
“You’re forgetting Hyperion and whatever is left of Hagge. The while Amiga thing is so convoluted, with so much bad blood… and yet projects like the MiniMig show that anything is possible.”
I implied Hyperion under the Amiga name, including Amiga Inc and all hardware companies involved.
Good point, MiniMig looks quite interesting. There is more talent working on seperate projects that could be working on one platform. Shame really…
Apple could do that, because Steve Jobs simply turned Apple upside down and shook all the bad elements and habits out of the company. It takes quite a leader to do that. Had it not been for him, Apple would have been long gone.
No such person (this far) is capable of that in the Amiga community. There are a lot of tech heads, but none have shown the talent that is required for making anything Amiga related, relevant for ordinary people.
“No such person (this far) is capable of that in the Amiga community. There are a lot of tech heads, but none have shown the talent that is required for making anything Amiga related, relevant for ordinary people.”
Good point, the Amiga(like) Community needs a strong leader with financial backing to pull this off. To bad neither Bill McEwen or Bill Buck stepped up to the plate or at least put aside history to work together…
I don’t know why OS News it has the bad habit of mixing Amiga non relevant news:
Ack hardware failed to appear
Which makes readers outside Amiga platform to believe Amiga firms develop vapour
With good and relevant news:
Hyperion present at Pianeta Amiga with a booth…
Listen to me…
Non in Amiga camp will bet a dime on ACK vapourware.
It is a manufacturer well known into Amiga world, to had announced various products, and never developed one…
Consider the entire world of computers ads a whole continent…
Then AMiga with is little market could be assumed (with its tiny surface) to be like the surface of Montecarlo/”Principality of Monaco”, or assumed to be like the Vatican/”State of Catholic Church”
then ACK it is the far side point of rocks in the little Amiga surface market… A point of rocks open to the sea of nowhere…
We Amigans don’t care of ACK, and never trusted in it. So please next time OSAlert be careful before releasing non relevant futile news about Amiga.
Sorry if I say so, but the big news at Pianeta Amiga 2007 was AROS. There was a fully functioning AROS system with graphics, sound and network support, running quite fast on a cheap AthlonXP based PC.
I’m sorry a few Amiga fanboys still prefer to dream behind exoteric PPC $650 platforms, hopeing they will run AmigaOS 4 flawlessly, rejecting the AROS alternative as a sort ot PC Evil. But, as I attended personally at the show, I was glad to see most of them looking at AROS and finally evaluating what it is: a cheap and viable way to enlarge the userbase. Not a competitor.
Larger userbase means more developers. More developers for AROS means more applications that may be easily ported to AmigaOS and MorphOS. More applications mean more interested users for any company still involved in Amiga business.
Sorry if I say so, but the big news at Pianeta Amiga 2007 was AROS. There was a fully functioning AROS system with graphics, sound and network support, running quite fast on a cheap AthlonXP based PC. And also a little presentation conference.
I’m sorry a few Amiga fanboys still prefer to dream behind exoteric PPC $650 platforms, hopeing they will run AmigaOS 4 flawlessly, rejecting the AROS alternative as a sort ot PC Evil. But, as I attended personally at the show, I was happy to see most of them looking at AROS and finally understanding what it is: a cheap and viable way to enlarge the userbase. Not a competitor.
Larger userbase means more developers. More developers for AROS means more applications that may be easily ported to AmigaOS and MorphOS. More applications mean more interested users for any company still involved in Amiga business. Someone thinks is a pointless effort? Well, that’s only another alternative. I don’t like people who pretend to substitute the Windows monopoly with the Linux one: I prefer different alternatives which can co-operate and exchange data. And AROS is my favourite one.