A clash among engineers who want to use Unix apps and bureaucratic dictates that they use Windows is resolved.
Bridging Unix And Windows At NASA
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Eugenia Loli
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It’s the end of the windows world! Hurrah!
Ah… just kidding. Who cares.
fight off those moronic dictators! i think engineers should be able to use whatever tools they think is right for them to get the job done..even if it be windows for specific needs. (yes i am a linux advocate who also believes that there are at times better solutions) But I am extremely happy to hear these guys get to use the unix apps they want (cuz we all know their always the best *g* )
Crap, have they never heard of multi-booting? They should read OSAlert.
Too bad NASA doesn’t run Be…..we’d be on Alpha Centuri by now.:^)
I’m sure they’ve heard of multibooting. However, it’s not very convenient to quit what you’re doing all the time just to check your email though is it?
* hates trolls *
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i think the fact that some of nasa wants to run windows proves that all they do i play sol.exe all day… tax money hard at work “why use free software, when we can get raped my M$ licensing schemes”…. hmmmm
Why don’t they run VMware or similiar?
This kind of software is good enough to run different OS simulataneously on a PC.
It is also very useful for software testing, because you can start over and over again with the same image of a virgin PC and make sure stuff (like installtation) works correctly.
Of course this wouldn’t reduce the Microsoft Tax.
Regards,
Marc
I doubt that. Travelling at the speed of light, something currently not possible, to alpha centuri would be longer than how long nasa existed :-). Besides, BeOS may be responsive, UI-wise, may have fast boot times, but not the fastest thing I have seen.
I’m impressed by your insight and in-depth comparison of modern operating systems.
You can do anything with BeOS. In fact, if you boot it up and run alphacentauri from the command line, it will generate a space ship buildable by simply printing out sheets of paper on a compatible printer. No lie.
Yeah, it sounds pretty stupid, they can build rockets but they can’t dualboot. It’s almost as stupid as loosing a $125-million probe because they failed to convert some measurements to the metric system, something any kid in 4th grade could do LOL.
http://mmccubbins.ucsd.edu/marsprobe.htm
rajan said:
“doubt that. Travelling at the speed of light, something currently not possible, to alpha centuri would be longer than how long nasa existed :-).”
Sorry Rajan, Alpha Centuri is only 4.3 light years away. NASA was established in 1958.
BTW, Selamat Hari Natal!
http://users.tpg.com.au/thuban/squest/stars/stars.html#alpha
http://history.nasa.gov/
not tweaking *rc files, font paths to get a bunch
of ugly fonts looks right.
These days, if you are not into running servers,
playing IP alias tricks, fiddling with iptables,
Win XP is way ahead of any linux distro in terms of
features, stability and user friendliness.
If you goto google and do the following search
the results are interesting
1 “linux lockup” 40,000+ results
2 “Redhat 8 lockup” 7,000+ results
3 “winxp lockup” 2800 to 2900 results
4 “winxp bluescreen” about 800 results
These days, you would rarely hear any major probems
on windows platform because a font is missing, but
in X window, a missing font might kill the app and
the X server/X font server ( without the cursor font,
you can run almost no X apps – that’s what happens
after a Xft coredump)
If you are into using Opera on *nix, you probably
know that the frequent pauses on the 6.x series,
especially on google search pages – the proclaimed
fastest browser.
StarOffice/OOo can open most Word documents, but
the layout is just a little bit off if anything
as simple as a bullet is used, and don’t mention
the corrupted screen after you use your mouse wheel
to scroll up and down a few times – it will kill a
less robust X server because of memory leaks.
Unix is best at the kernel/CLI level, add X into
the play, something is just not right no matter
which skin/theme/DE you choose.
Like it or not, you probably already paid the M$
tax, so use it to your advantage. Even Netscape
used some IE features (like M$ Global IME).
These days, multiboot is simply out of fashion –
even one switch will kill your uptime record
#1 “linux lockup” 40,000+ results
#2 “Redhat 8 lockup” 7,000+ results
#3 “winxp lockup” 2800 to 2900 results
#4 “winxp bluescreen” about 800 results
Your search – “Redhat 8 lockup” – did not match any documents.
“linux lockup”. Results 1 – 10 of about 113. Search took 0.22 seconds
“windows lockup”.Results 1 – 10 of about 1,020. Search took 0.09 seconds
If you’re going to search for linux, might as well search for ‘windows’ to be fair right? well of course you didn’t want to be fair thats why your results were completly made up! redhat had ZERO results. Not that this proves anything about the OS’s just proves the credibility of the person posting them.
#If you are into using Opera on *nix, you probably
#know that the frequent pauses on the 6.x series,
#especially on google search pages – the proclaimed
#fastest browser
This has been fixed for a few months now, try visiting operas site next time. opera 6.11 is the newest (atleast yesterday when I checked).
As for the rest of your comments:
Yeah, learn how to search..
From google:
+Windows +”blue screen” — 73,500
+windows +lockup — 37,400
+windows +crash — 1,060,000
+redhat +lockup — 11,300
+linux +lockup — 42,000
+linux +crash — 614,000
Copy your fonts into ~/.fonts gee, that’s how you do it in WINDOWS TOO!
“( without the cursor font,
you can run almost no X apps – that’s what happens
after a Xft coredump) ”
Uhh no, you are showing how smart you are here. XFS does not control cursors.
“StarOffice/OOo can open most Word documents, but
the layout is just a little bit off if anything
as simple as a bullet is used, and don’t mention
the corrupted screen after you use your mouse wheel
to scroll up and down a few times – it will kill a
less robust X server because of memory leaks.”
Funny, I use OO and have created very complex documents with it. Sure I’ve seen a few things not go across but well that’s Microsoft’s fault not OO’s. I’d love to see the log from your Xserver crashing, email it to the address linked in my handle smart guy.
“Like it or not, you probably already paid the M$
tax, so use it to your advantage. Even Netscape
used some IE features (like M$ Global IME). ”
You can feel free to bend over and drop your pants for Microsoft that’s a job for sheep. I like to think for myself thanks. You can feel free though, more power to you. I’ll think of you the next time I don’t have to have a virus scanner, the next time I don’t have to reboot from a bluescreen, or the next time I don’t have to reboot because I installed an application (or a patch).
Er, not that it really matters all that much, but here are mine results (without quotes, they screw things up) copy and pasted:
Searched the web for linux lockup.
Results 1 – 10 of about 41,600. Search took 0.09 seconds.
Searched the web for Redhat 8 lockup.
Results 1 – 10 of about 7,250. Search took 0.12 seconds.
Searched the web for winxp lockup.
Results 1 – 10 of about 2,880. Search took 0.06 seconds.
Searched the web for winxp bluescreen.
Results 1 – 10 of about 779. Search took 0.15 seconds.
However, that having been said, I think that those statistics are pointless, anyway. First off, not everybody who experiences lock-up (I know I haven’t _ever_) posts a message to a board that the GoogleBot checks. Second of all, you used the term “winxp.” I’ll bet that if you used “windows xp” or just “xp” you would get _a lot_ more results. Same goes for “lockup.” Why not “crash,” “freeze,” “lock up” or “lock-up”? Google searches are not a good indicator of the stability of an operating system.
That having been said, even if those statistics were correct, you have to be aware of the nature of the operating system. Microsoft wants you to buy a full version of Windows XP Professional for $300. You can change a lot less and you have access to NONE of their source to tinker with than Linux. I’ll bet if you compared a version of Windows XP Professional and a version of Red Hat without somebody tinkering with it, Red Hat would be a lot more stable. You’re destined to get more crashes when you are using a recompiled kernel–the heart of the operating system–than when you are using 99% of what you were meant to use, right?
The moral of the story? Your so-called conclusion is bullshit.
What happens if xfs stops?
I know!
nohup xfs &
what does a Windows user have to do?
REBOOT.
source: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;319965
“What happens if xfs stops?
I know!
nohup xfs &
what does a Windows user have to do?
REBOOT.”
Yeah, I know that trick as I have two to three linux
boxes in house – but a xfs/x server crash still has
the same effect to all of your unsaved documnets.
I usually use “svc xfs start” – on redhat svc is
a link to service on other distro without it,
svc is a script.
To see how important cursor font is under X, just do this
rm -rf /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/cursor.*
Why the hell are u comparing Windows XP to RedHat? RedHat owns Windows 400x, I run a RedHat server and quiet a few Windows Box’s, my redhat server has less then half the ram and CPU power and it still wins for stability. If you think that Windows is stabler then Linux ur about as smart as a snake that got hit by a semi truck. that User interactive stuff? Ya windows is better becuase everyone who uses Windows is to friggin lazy to learn how to fix Linux stuff and just wants to clikc a bunch. Linux stuff is way better to configure than Windows and more features? Linux owns windows in features, no Freecell options doesn’t count as features. Do a search of Linux+Packages on google and click a few sites, theres a shitload of em. Now do Windows+Packages maybe a shitload of stuff but its all Microsofts website linking bac to different languages.
” but a xfs/x server crash still has
the same effect to all of your unsaved documnets. ”
Uhhh no.. An XFS crash does NOT effect your unsaved documents, an Xserver crash does. I can count the number of Xserver crashes I’ve seen on one hand, and every one of them was my own fault (running bleeding edge code or poor configuration).
“svc” does not exist, you are referring to “service” which lives in /sbin on a redhat system. If you are going to pretend to know what you are talking about do your homework first.
Okay, now that you have started bashing something that I can really talk about, I will. Opera 7 is _not_ an inferior product, even if it is only beta. It is rock solid (more than I can say for IE6), it has mouse gestures, it supports window-in-a-window, it has real, useful, one-click pop-up blocking, it’s fast, it has a password-management feature, and an amazing mail program. What can I say for IE? Well, it’s fairly solid, it doesn’t have mouse gestures (not even with a plug-in), it has no sort of ad-blocking, although there are good (but not as good as Opera’s) 3rd-party apps, it is fairly speedy, it has a menial passoword-management system, and it has Outlook Express, which is just par for the course. It is well worth $30, and for that $30 you are directly contributing to the production and enrichement of that product and you are putting your money where your mouth is. Hehehe, either that or a simple search of Google for “opera 7 beta 2 serial.” Oh yeah, and Opera is free. You just have to put up with a not-so-annoying ad if you wish to use it for longer than 14 days.
Regarding your mouse scroll issue, I have used Opera 6.0 and 7.0 Beta 1 and 2 on two computers with two seperate operating systems with two seperate mice for about six months now, and I have _never_ encountered any scrolling issues.
Ok, I’ve moved it to another location. My Xserver hasn’t crashed yet, I’m waiting…
Well a full 60 seconds have past so I’m moving it back. Note I’m typing this without it RIGHT NOW.
[root@lattitude aitvo]# cd /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/
[root@lattitude misc]# mv cursor.pcf.gz ..
[root@lattitude misc]# date
Wed Dec 25 19:46:58 EST 2002
[root@lattitude misc]# mv ../cursor.pcf.gz .
[root@lattitude misc]# date
Wed Dec 25 19:48:01 EST 2002
I used XP since RC2, and there was only two BSOD during
the 18 month time frame, one in wich I used win2k driver
for the WinTV usb tuner under xp, the other is for
a failed cpu fan.
NT4 was trouble some because M$ moved GDI driver
to kernel mode, and third party drivers were not
up to speed. Win2k is a lot better, unless you use
VIA chipsets but still good drivers are few and far
in between, at leat in the inital stage.
They finally get it almost right in XP with plenty
of good quality drivers to keep the system stable
unless you are into VIA 4in1, NVidia’s latest and
greatest.
On the linux end, did the ACPI finally enabled in kernel ?
Did the kernel support hibernation ? so that one can
start the PC in 10 to 15 seconds and continue to work
on yesterdays document and at the end of the day
hit the power button again like one would do with a TV ?
Your PC might run 24×7, but I prefer save a few trees
to help preserve the planet
“You can feel free to bend over and drop your pants for Microsoft that’s a job for sheep. I like to think for myself thanks”
Did you get your M$ tax refund back for a pair of pants ?
Can’t we just discussing things more rationally ?
[root@rh72 bin]# pwd
/root/bin
[root@rh72 bin]# cat svc
/etc/rc.d/init.d/$1 $2
[root@rh72 bin]#
I wrote it for myself
I am running POINT32 from M$ intellimouse driver, maybe
that is the wheel killer for opera 7.
As for pop-up, I don’t see a lot since javascript
is disabled in my IE settings and for the few sites that
I have to use javascript, my intellimouse’s 5 th
button is programed for close window – one click
and I dont even need to move the mouse.
IE is not perfect, but I can write a small tool
to switch flash and GIF animation on and off, that
more than make up your beloved opera’s F12 key
(F12 clear animation, F12 clear plugin ? good exercise)
out of box, how do I get pptp running in RH8 without
type ‘rpm -U …..’
with 64 MB of RAM on a low low end PC, how do I ran
Gnome/KDE plus a few brower window plus StarOffice
and have it open a doc without a 1 minute wait?
On similar low end hardware (Sony 505GX/P1 266/64MB),
I can do two IE windows, plus a word xp, plus a
Visual Studio 6 and still get clear type AA fonts.
If your XP is not stable, you probably got
bad network/video/sound drivers or using a VIA
mother board ( 4in1 every month, hehe)
BTW, did they get this fixed ???
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Networking/Linux_Networking/Q_20303…
“On the linux end, did the ACPI finally enabled in kernel ?”
Uhh yeah..
“Did the kernel support hibernation ? so that one can”
Since when does a kernel support hibernation? This laptop hibernates using Dell’s hibernation software, no muss no fuss. It’s kicked off via APM as it is on any OS.
“start the PC in 10 to 15 seconds and continue to work
on yesterdays document and at the end of the day
hit the power button again like one would do with a TV ?”
Oh my GOSH, is that HIBERNATION?! You are like SOOOOO SMART!
“Your PC might run 24×7, but I prefer save a few trees
to help preserve the planet 8-)”
Yeah, this computer hibernates every time I close the lid. The other, well it’s had it’s uptime since I compiled 2.4.19 73 or so days ago.
Nice “script”, but uhh your comment was “on redhat svc is
a link to service”.
tty wrote:
“Did the kernel support hibernation ? so that one can
start the PC in 10 to 15 seconds and continue to work
on yesterdays document and at the end of the day
hit the power button again like one would do with a TV?”
Hibernation is only an advantage on Win32 systems because they take so long to boot otherwise. My FreeBSD system boots in 12 seconds (with apache, mysqld, sshd) and X starts with windowmaker in 1-2 seconds so hiberation is not really an issue. As for linux, it can be tuned to start in a time near this if you stop all non essential services.
I’m sorry tty, but your argument just doesn’t cut it.
how about hibernation on a desktop PC without a lid
and without DELL software.
Did they fixed the WOL thing lately ???
Did they fixed the pptp with MPPE/MPPC
kernel panic on 2.4.19 ???
Do I have to
ln -s `which service` ~/bin/svc ???
I do suppose to have choiCES, right ???
XP with no non-essential things can start in 23 seconds
with 7200 RPM hdd, 29 with 5400 hdd – a tuned system
will cold boot in the 15 second level
I haven’t figure out a way to start StarOffice/OOo
in seconds other than leaving one instance open
and type soffice & in xterm
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=vmware+linux&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&o…
97,000 results
My guess is that DirectX games are hard to resist, huh ?
1. What has tree’s have to do with electricity? 70% of NZ’s electricity is from hydro, the rest is from Geothermal, Gas and the occasional bit of coal.
2. I’ve only seen Windows XP/2000 crash, and that was due to a faulty PCTV PCI card I had installed. If you loaded up the teletex bit, then close the browser off, then switched to TV mode I would get a BSOD. It was easily fixed by killing off the teletex server before loading the TV viewing software.
3. I don’t run *NIX/*BSD because of some religious or “stability”, I run it because I want to run a *NIX like OS with a good shell and tools. You can screem and howl to the cows come home, however, until I see MS get rid of the drive letters, adopt the UNIX style file system and set BASH as the default shell, I’m quite happy to stay here in my little “rutt” using the tools I want to use.
4. I am more excited about the release of FreeBSD 5.0, KDE 3.1 and GNOME 2.2. Sure, I see that the development may not be as fast as what Microsofties would like, however, I also see they’re (KDE and GNOME) are trying not to replicate the same mistakes. For example, the registry in GNOME ISN’T BINARY, IT IS A PLAIN TEXT XML FILE, something Microsoft should have done in Windows XP. Security, KDE 3.1 has been frozen, and there is a security audit taking place to ensure that it is not only incredibly stable, but also, as secure as possible.
Dude, you’ve got problems. Take a pill and get some rest, heil bill gates.
tty, PLEASE STOP rating things based upon their Google ratings. You’re gonna get yourself shot one day.
Presumably that is why the scientists in the article want to run apps on Unix rather than Windows? Bare in mind that they don’t tolerate problems with software. Scientists are rarely religious about software – like you said, they just want to get work done, and they find that Unix is better for them even if you prefer Windows.
+Windows +”blue screen” — 73,500
+windows +lockup — 37,400
+windows +crash — 1,060,000
+redhat +lockup — 11,300
+linux +lockup — 42,000
+linux +crash — 614,000
Hmm… town A (population 10,000,000) had 5,000 deaths last year town B (population 100,000) had 50 deaths last years.
Wow! Town B most be a whole lot safer!
Please pardon my sarcasm. Some times it’s too hard to resist.
from the “tty” name along
“Dude, you’ve got problems. Take a pill and get some rest, heil bill gates.”
The fact is that on a lcd screen and with XP’s clear type
fonts, web pages look so nice with little stress – your
milage may vary
google search is one of my way to spot certain trends
it won’t be pin point accurate, but isn’t there a reason
behind all those postings ???
I am not dying for M$ or Windows, however I can’t cheat
myself that my XP box worked for me way better than
my rh7.2 box – a P2P client’s traffic route through
rh7.2 with iptables then it was dead in hours since
iptable is full and and this stupid thing print endless
same message to console and log file leave me no way out
but cycle the power – it suppose to be able to handle
4000+ connections, yet in reality, it can’t perform
as good as a linksys home router with a 30MHz cpu and
only 512 nat table entries – that doesn’t sounds like
a 400x better windows to me in any angle. The fix
should be simple, when things went wrong, don’t be
cranky, just bite the bullets then clear the iptables
and pickup whatever left to do instead of wasting time
for printf/printk. For that matter, I also tried OpenBSD
it worked pretty well until I pulled my USB speaker cable
from the socket – a kernel panic followed and I track down
the problem to its driver and submitted a fix. However
a few power outages later on killed the partition –
so much for a carefully audited reliable OS.
I’ve got a feeling that either I dd my windows partiton
on this holiday season or I would bite an OSS bullet.
I doubt you have a license for each installation of Windows.
Like most Windows users, you probably bought one copy and installed it on numerous machines, which is a violation of the EULA.
As for you terrible posting, stop pressing enter at the end of each sentence, you text will automatically be looped onto the next sentence.
As for you *NIX background, it actually looks pretty pathetic to say the least. Here is a hint sunshine, stick to Windows XP and listening to Britney Spears and dreaming about DRM, whilst the people whose brains operate independent of propaganda make the real decisions.
You had problems with *nix because of your own short commings, nothing more, nothing less. Instead of whinging like a sheila, pick up a book and read the friendly/fabulous manual and start learning something.
This is the problem with the US education system, giving little toe-rags like tty (IP: —.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) too much self confidence. That confidence should have been crushed during highschool and finally killed off in college, through the use of corporal punishment, uniforms and the expectation of conformity.
Hello Anonymous (IP: —.ihug.co.nz).
Its usually a nice thing to give a name, any name, and stick with it so we can at least identify your posts. The only reason to post as Anonymous in this forum is if you can’t take responsibility for your own posts, and instead like to hide like a scared child after trying to participate in an adult conversation and then loosing all confidence once he says somthing we might not like.
Just takes a few key strokes and basic memory.
Well, enough of that speal. The reason for my post is thus:
—> “Here is a hint sunshine, stick to Windows XP and listening to Britney Spears and dreaming about DRM, whilst the people whose brains operate independent of propaganda make the real decisions.” <—
Hmmm… and then there is this:
—> “This is the problem with the US education system, giving little toe-rags like tty (IP: —.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) too much self confidence. That confidence should have been crushed during highschool and finally killed off in college, through the use of corporal punishment, uniforms and the expectation of conformity.” <—
Oh thats right. SHOVE THAT FREEDOM OF THOUGHT DOWN THEIR THROUTS WITH CORPORAL PUNISHMENT! Nothing like uniforms and conformity to counteract societies propaganda.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Conformity is Independance
I think your new adition fits nicely.
They could also use Wine to run off|ce applications, and other programs that run in W|ndows…
or you guys would not hate M$ so much.
as pathetic as my *nix background might be, you
probably haven’t read what I was talking about
1 The iptables thing
google search: ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet
and on your linux box do the following
cat /proc/net/ip_conntrack
cat /proc/net/ip_conntrack | wc -l
then compare the results with
netstat | grep ESTABLISHED
netstat | grep ESTABLISHED | wc -l
2 The OpenBSD USB issue is a typical dangling pointer
oversight, see this page for description
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/dangling-pointer.html
The fix is clear those pointers after memory blocks are freed.
3 The OpenBSD partition failure is caused by no journal on that partition, so a sudden power outage damage the file system to the point beyond a quick recovery. – that’s why
you at least heard of ext3.
If DRM comes in a hardware form, you have no escape no matter whether you use OSS or not, just like you now
most likely have to pay for internet access – there aren’t too many open source hardware, right ?
My confidence hasn’t reached a level to blame others for EULA violations.
“You had problems with *nix because of your own short commings, nothing more, nothing less. Instead of whinging like a sheila, pick up a book and read the friendly/fabulous manual and start learning something”
I would love to know a few books from which I can learn
1 How to cold start StarOffice with in 10 seconds ?
(Office 2002 can do it on a 64 MB machine)
2 How to start netscape within KDE so that there isn’t a break between the hour glass cursor and the splash screen ?
3 How to setup opera so that java applets wouldn’t crash it every once in a while and at the same time don’t force
me to delete files in my home directory ?
4 How to setup an X session over a dialup and still
get a better experence beyond that offered by LBX
(M$ RDP can do it over a 28.8k connection) ?
5 How to setup iptables firewall so that UPnP apps
behind it can work like they do behind a $50 home gateway router ?
6 How to boot linux on my third hard drive when my choice is
LILO ?
I am sure you are as friendly, courageous and knowledgeable as a real MAN, not a ostrich bird with head burried in sand, right ?
For Anonymous (IP: —.ihug.co.nz):
Sign in a New Zealand bar:
“Welcome to New Zealand
where men are men and the sheep
say, “DAAAaaaaady!”
tty, please stop using google searches as “definitive” evidence.
They have no real proof of anything.
There could be mirrors of a site, in which case another “result” would be added.
They could just be references, one hundred different pages all talking about the same bug, like in a mailing list or something.
Then you’ve got to live up to this fact: Linux users are more likely to go to online communities and ask for help on bugs than Windows users are. Most Windows users won’t post a bug report every time they see the Blue Screen, but Linux users will post a bug report if their system freezes, because they know not to accept it as life, but to get somebody, somewhere, to fix it for them.
Google searches don’t proove anything, so please don’t use them. Show log files if you must, that’s about the only hard evidence you can use to prove if either operating system (Lin or Win) is crashing, without others saying your lying.
There’s a perfectly good reason to not get an account.
I’m a lurker and I don’t regularly post here. I expect this to be my one and only post to these forums, why should I bother getting an account which will only end up wasting a nickel’s worth of OSAlert’ disk space?
If you must have a name to associate with my single post, sorry.
>or you guys would not hate M$ so much.
You are creating quite a fanclub yourself with your wealth of misinformation.
>as pathetic as my *nix background might be, you
Oh, and it is!
>probably haven’t read what I was talking about
Why? I’ll tell you why, you are too ignorant to solve your own problems, you would rather blame the OS for your incompetence.
>1 The iptables thing
>
>google search: ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet
Waah, Linux has a bug, WAAAAAH!!!! Like your daddy’s OS doesn’t.
“2 The OpenBSD USB issue is a typical dangling pointer
oversight, see this page for description
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/dangling-pointer.html
The fix is clear those pointers after memory blocks are freed.”
That doesn’t look like a bug to me, it looks like a definition.
“3 The OpenBSD partition failure is caused by no journal on that partition, so a sudden power outage damage the file system to the point beyond a quick recovery. – that’s why
you at least heard of ext3.”
OpenBSD uses EXT3? HAHAHAHA!
“If DRM comes in a hardware form, you have no escape no matter whether you use OSS or not, just like you now
most likely have to pay for internet access – there aren’t too many open source hardware, right ?”
I’ll have an escape, I’m not blind and bent over. I’ll keep using my existing hardware, or import non DRM equipment.
“I would love to know a few books from which I can learn”
Barnes and Noble, Amazon.com, ebay, Waldenbooks. These places can help but you have to put an EFFORT into it.
“1 How to cold start StarOffice with in 10 seconds ?
(Office 2002 can do it on a 64 MB machine)”
Who cares? WAAAH OO took 25 seconds to open WAAAH! I have had OO open for two weeks now, so it’s a non issue. What’s this “Can’t save normal.dot” error, why can’t I close WORD?!
“2 How to start netscape within KDE so that there isn’t a break between the hour glass cursor and the splash screen ?”
Waaah
Why doesn’t cmd.exe close sometimes in Windows XP, why do I have to reboot to close an application?!
“3 How to setup opera so that java applets wouldn’t crash it every once in a while and at the same time don’t force
me to delete files in my home directory ?”
WAAAH!
How to setup Internet Explorer so that it won’t start up Outlook Express and email everyone in my address book because I clicked a link?
“4 How to setup an X session over a dialup and still
get a better experence beyond that offered by LBX
(M$ RDP can do it over a 28.8k connection) ?”
Uhh, are you an idiot? This is an easy one since I manage Terminal Server AND X for a living. Turn off your wallpaper, and use a flat theme. You may have to actually click something though, LOOKOUT!
“5 How to setup iptables firewall so that UPnP apps
behind it can work like they do behind a $50 home gateway router ?”
http://linux-igd.sourceforge.net/ – That was TOUGH!
“6 How to boot linux on my third hard drive when my choice is
LILO ?”
Add a configuration to /etc/lilo.conf for your linux installation, and point it at /dev/hdc1 (However, the installer has already done that for you, and you are just blowing smoke.)
You need to give it up, I’m still waiting for that log.
google search is one of my way to spot certain trends
it won’t be pin point accurate, but isn’t there a reason
behind all those postings ???
Your logic’s completely flawed, but why not beat you at your own game?
Well consider this, most of the people running windows don’t know their head from their ass, let alone what OS they are running, so if that’s the case, how many of them are going to have posted “$os crashed”? Now out of the 1/10’th of the original windows users with lockups we have left that might qualify in the google listing, let’s add to that some more logic. My general experience is that windows locks up far more than linux, so if I was running windows and my computer locked up once every couple of months, I would consider it normal and reboot. If I were running Linux and my computer locked up once every couple of months, then I would have something worthy of posting. So that means that maybe 1/10 of the adjusted amount of windows users were posting their problems.
Going with..Kevin’s posted google hits and making up for the things you forgot to add in:
+Windows +”blue screen” — 7,350,000
+windows +lockup — 3,740,000
+windows +crash — 106,000,000
+redhat +lockup — 11,300
+linux +lockup — 42,000
+linux +crash — 614,000
Really I’d say cut the Linux ones in half too, just because most of those were probably from threads just like this one, where people that believe the any key is the power button are reporting lock ups. But “clearly” the more stable OS is easy to see….right…
“Going with..Kevin’s posted google hits”
err
Going with..Aitvo’s posted google hits
Kevin was trying to play marketshare games with my results, it wasn’t even worth a reply
“There’s a perfectly good reason to not get an account.”
I know an even better reason not to get an OSAlert account: OSAlert doesn’t have accounts.
Just fill in a name under “your name” and it will be displayed instead of “anonymous” above your post.
Kevin was trying to play marketshare games with my results, it wasn’t even worth a reply
Dude… do you reall think that if you get more results for windows lok up than linux lockup on google then windows locks up more?
Dude… if 100,000,000 people use OS A and 500,000 use OS B then even if OS A is more stable you are probley going to get more results when you search for OS lockup just because there are more sites about windows.
Back to the town example.
town A (population 10,000,000) had 5,000 deaths last year town B (population 100,000) had 52 deaths last years.
Wow! Town B most be a whole lot safer!
No you cant say town B is safer because they had 4948 less deaths. That’s not true. It’s all about the percentage of things. In fact, Town A is more safe. Town B had a higher percent of murders.
Okay, I just did a google search:
beos lockup 35,800
linux crash 614,000
windows crash 1,060,000
Thoese numbers don’t tell you anything. Okay?! Get over it. All they tell you is that more people use windows. If the roles were reversed, and most of the world used linux, then you would get more results for linux crash.
No kidding. I know the numbers don’t mean anything, I just used them as an example of a REAL search not a search for “winxp”. EVERYONE already knows that Windows locks up more than Linux.
I actually did use my own name and email, when it was sent, for some reason, it didn’t turn up.
As for my comments, I do stand behind them, and yes, you are in the over confident category. Stick with running Windows XP and listening to MatchBox 20, and let the adults here look at the bigger picture rather than whinging because something is “too hard” or “too complicated” as justification for running Windows.
Sure, run Windows XP, get hack, trasmit virus’s and generally make the hell desk attendents life a living hell, but don’t come onto this forum doing a sermon on the mount claiming you have seen the light, and you want to share this “wisdom” with everyone you don’t know.
Er… I AM a computer support tech, and Ive done my years on help desk. Im also posting from RedHat 8.0, though I have nothing against using windows. I was making a comment on HIS comment, I don’t really have much to add to the *nix vs. Windows debate, which seems a bit stupid to me.
Also please note Mr Anonymous (IP: 207.179.229.—) above that, as someone else said, there is no need to register here, I never have. I do however type the same name every time. Posting anonymously, and posting AS Anonymous, are two different things.
“>1 The iptables thing
>
>google search: ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet
Waah, Linux has a bug, WAAAAAH!!!! Like your daddy’s OS doesn’t”
It is not whether there are bugs, it’s how you treat it.
A ‘cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_conntrack_max’ probably will win more respect than sounds like a frog.
“Waaah
Why doesn’t cmd.exe close sometimes in Windows XP, why do I have to reboot to close an application?! ”
taskkill /IM CMD.EXE /F is *nix’s `kill -9` equivalent and nobody said there isn’t *nix’s zombie under win32
“WAAAH!
How to setup Internet Explorer so that it won’t start up Outlook Express and email everyone in my address book because I clicked a link? ”
You disable Scripting of ActiveX controls, but leave ActiveX enabled in the Internet Security Zone – this way dirty tricks don’t play and you still get flash etc working. On Outlook Express 6 SP1, you can set it to show clear text even for HTML mail.
“Uhh, are you an idiot? This is an easy one since I manage Terminal Server AND X for a living. Turn off your wallpaper, and use a flat theme. You may have to actually click something though, LOOKOUT”
So under X, it is not automatically set like under RDP ??
X’s trouble is in the font engine – so xterm is OK
but netscape is always slow to start.
“”5 How to setup iptables firewall so that UPnP apps
behind it can work like they do behind a $50 home gateway router ?”
http://linux-igd.sourceforge.net/ – That was TOUGH! ”
Hehe, my hats off You don’t use google, do you ?
“”6 How to boot linux on my third hard drive when my choice is
LILO ?”
Add a configuration to /etc/lilo.conf for your linux installation, and point it at /dev/hdc1 (However, the installer has already done that for you, and you are just blowing smoke.)”
The catch is that LILO depends on BIOS and not all BIOSes
will offer /dev/hdc parameters – that’s why I am asking
“third hard drive” not /dev/hdc, not the master on the
secondary IDE channel.
The log is pretty boring, like this
May 20 18:21:56 slxgw kernel: NET: 4 messages suppressed.
May 20 18:21:56 slxgw kernel: ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet.
May 20 18:22:16 slxgw kernel: ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet.
May 20 18:23:59 slxgw kernel: ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet.
May 20 18:25:06 slxgw last message repeated 10 times
May 20 18:25:31 slxgw last message repeated 9 times
May 20 18:27:07 slxgw last message repeated 4 times
May 20 18:28:06 slxgw last message repeated 4 times
May 20 18:29:10 slxgw last message repeated 8 times
May 20 18:29:58 slxgw last message repeated 9 times
May 20 18:33:34 slxgw kernel: ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet.
May 20 18:34:36 slxgw last message repeated 17 times
May 20 18:34:37 slxgw last message repeated 3 times
May 20 18:34:44 slxgw kernel: NET: 1 messages suppressed.
May 20 18:34:44 slxgw kernel: ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet.
May 20 18:34:46 slxgw kernel: NET: 1 messages suppressed.
May 20 18:34:46 slxgw kernel: ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet.
May 20 18:34:56 slxgw kernel: NET: 1 messages suppressed.
May 20 18:34:56 slxgw kernel: ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet.
May 20 18:34:58 slxgw kernel: ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet.
May 20 18:35:00 slxgw kernel: NET: 1 messages suppressed.
May 20 18:35:00 slxgw kernel: ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet.
iptables use 100% CPU time to print similar messages to console and syslog, so in theory, linux box is not dead but little, if any, can be done to shut it up other than a hard reset/power cycle.
“taskkill /IM CMD.EXE /F is *nix’s `kill -9` equivalent and nobody said there isn’t *nix’s zombie under win32 ”
No form of kill worked. The process died, yet the window was “stuck” on the screen. It would move, minimize, etc even though the process no longer existed.
“So under X, it is not automatically set like under RDP ??
X’s trouble is in the font engine – so xterm is OK
but netscape is always slow to start. ”
No, XDMCP is usually OFF out of the box. XFont servers are a great concept and work VERY well if implemented correctly. You do realize that X has a 20 year head start on RDP and is 20 years more mature right? The problem is NOT X or XFS, it’s what you put on top of X.
Try turning off syslog and see if it frees CPU time, it’s a dirty solution but hey all software has bugs, they will be corrected in time.
“No form of kill worked. The process died, yet the window was “stuck” on the screen. It would move, minimize, etc even though the process no longer existed.”
Usually, I will just log off then re-logon, saw that happened once to M$ Media Player on .NET 3663 over a
RDP session – after this off/on cycle, at least the screen will be cleared up, but the memory is not freed.
I think M$ put a few programs in the registry that won’t get killed somewhere.
Once the iptables thing happened, there is no way to use the keyboard as write to console probably used too much of the CPU share – after I rebooted, I saw my DynDns daemon occasionally got a chance to complain that there was no net connection during that period.
At the time, I got 64 MB of RAM with a default 4096 entries for ip_conntrack; But other guys on the net with 256 MB RAM and 16384 entries still saw this happens. Apparently, some connection records are not cleared after connection termination, so /proc/net/ip_conntrack almost always has more records than a netstat results.
Hopefully, this would be fixed by iptables guys soon, as so far the only way to mitigate this thing is to set ip_conntrack table to the max 65536; At about 400 bytes per entry, this will consume about 25 MB of memory along.
Another workaround that I haven’t tested may include configure syslog/klogd to not put critical messages to console, as vga text mode throughput is in the 20KB/s level, while as a decent hard drive will easily top 10 MB/s. In fact, the first time I saw this, it already happened for 10 hours and my /var/log/messages was only 1 to 2 MB, not really a big deal – however, the console output didn’t let me have a chance to login for an investigation, all I knew was that I lost my net connection to the linux box – which served as my home PPTP server, no ping, no nothing.
I think that at now Solaris is the best solution in the world!
I’m sorry tty. It must look like I’m picking on you since I never seem to agree with you on anything. It’s just that you keep posting things that just aren’t accurate.
not tweaking *rc files, font paths to get a bunch
of ugly fonts looks right.
That is why Windows or OS X are good for some people.
These days, if you are not into running servers,
playing IP alias tricks, fiddling with iptables,
Win XP is way ahead of any linux distro in terms of
features, stability and user friendliness.
No. Win XP isn’t even up to snuff with Windows 2000. I am running a Windows XP machine at home so I can play Age of Mythology with my spouse. In one month I have had Win XP completely crash twice and bog down to the point of uselessness three or four times. All I’m running is a Microsoft OS, Microsoft Office XP and a Microsoft game. You’d think it would work, but alas. My Linux machine has been up for an entire year (ever since I bought the machine and loaded Linux).
As for user friendliness, to me that means I won’t have to reboot. I loath rebooting. However, I realize that some people are completely daunted by Linux, so for them I totally agree with you that Windows is a better choice.
If you goto google and do the following search
the results are interesting
1 “linux lockup” 40,000+ results
2 “Redhat 8 lockup” 7,000+ results
3 “winxp lockup” 2800 to 2900 results
4 “winxp bluescreen” about 800 results
I’m sorry tty, but your results are not factual, as others have pointed out.
These days, you would rarely hear any major probems
on windows platform because a font is missing, but
in X window, a missing font might kill the app and
the X server/X font server ( without the cursor font,
you can run almost no X apps – that’s what happens
after a Xft coredump)
You’re probably right, but I have never in the entire time I’ve used Linux, starting back with the first version of Slackware, run into that problem. Also, if Xft coredumps and causes you to lose your cursors, wouldn’t that be synonymous with Windows blue screening? Windows is not very useful when that happens.
If you are into using Opera on *nix, you probably
know that the frequent pauses on the 6.x series,
especially on google search pages – the proclaimed
fastest browser.
A bug in Opera which has been fixed. I could list pages for you of Windows bugs if you want to have a contest, but for the sake of brevity, I will refrain.
StarOffice/OOo can open most Word documents, but
the layout is just a little bit off if anything
as simple as a bullet is used,
I use native StarOffice formats, so this is not an issue. If I have to have Word, I run it under Wine.
and don’t mention the corrupted screen after you use your mouse wheel
to scroll up and down a few times – it will kill a
less robust X server because of memory leaks.
I just tried that for about three minutes. My screen wasn’t corrupted and I didn’t kill my X server. In fact, I am monitoring my memory usage, and it didn’t really change at all. I’m using StarOffice 6.0. If you want to see some really bad screen painting issues, run Word XP, type several pages worth of text, and add a graphic or two. Now scroll through that a couple of times and try to read it and look at the graphics. Word XP is a fetid lump of steaming crap in my opinion.
Unix is best at the kernel/CLI level, add X into
the play, something is just not right no matter
which skin/theme/DE you choose.
How is it not right? I’m curious since I don’t have any problems with it whatsoever. In fact, I like a lot of the functionality that X provides that I just don’t get with Windows (at least not without forking over yet another $40.00+ to buy stardock’s software – even then it still sucks), such as shading windows, multiple desktops, pagers, various window managers and themes, etc..
These days, multiboot is simply out of fashion –
even one switch will kill your uptime record
Although that is a very good point, that is not why multibooting is bad in my opinion. It just sucks to have to shut down and wait for a reboot everytime you want to access the other environment. Personally, I run multiple machines and a switchbox. A little pricey perhaps, but worth it to avoid a reboot.
Your PC might run 24×7, but I prefer save a few trees
to help preserve the planet
My computer doesn’t run on trees. That’s a pretty cool mod though, you should post an article on how you did it.
BTW, did they get this fixed ???
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Networking/Linux_Networking/Q_20303…
Umm, that’s like a configuration issue and stuff; not a bug.
You’ll have to call the guy that was having the problem and ask him if he fixed it I suppose.
One comment before I go to bed regarding the Windows crashes vs. Linux crashes according to Google discussion.
It occurs to me that most Windows users expect Windows to crash (or at least aren’t too surprised by it when it happens). Therefore, most Windows users probably don’t post each and every crash on the internet. On the other hand, Linux usually doesn’t crash, so when it does, the first thing a Linux user is probably going to do is post a question regarding the crash to see if others are having the same problem and find out what can be done to fix it.
Anyway, I don’t need Google to tell me which OS crashes more. All I have to do is boot them both up and start using them.
I too am an engineer who is forced to use *^#$% Win NT at work, whereas I would prefer to use Linux or Unix to do the job. The people forcing it on me are remarkably similar to the Ponty Haired Boss, eg they are clueless. Windows in nice for playing games. It is NOT a good engineering platform to develop complex apps on.
Three thumbs up for the NASA guys ! Soon my clueless boss will switch too if this trend continues.
I’ve worked at NASA at several occations and Windows was never a popular OS there. I’ve seen more Macintosh for desktops than any other OS. I think the article is a bit strange, but perhaps it’s because I worked at a different site.
Anywho, why do large companies enforce email policies? Administration purposes….
“My computer doesn’t run on trees. That’s a pretty cool mod though, you should post an article on how you did it.”
You use less electricity, than you preserve at least
some resource on earth
“BTW, did they get this fixed ???
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Networking/Linux_Networking/Q_20303…
Umm, that’s like a configuration issue and stuff; not a bug.
You’ll have to call the guy that was having the problem and ask him if he fixed it I suppose.”
That happens because iptables can’t clear its ip_conntrack table properly – sort of like memory leak in doing programming, if you can’t get rid of it, add more memory may delay a crash.
In this case, guys are trying to increase the ip_conntrack table size to to the max of 65536 entries (0xffff) and hope that won’t trigger the bug.
Once ip_conntrack table is full, iptables would send thousands of critical error messages to syslog/console – this process itself consumes all the CPU time, since VGA text console can only do 20KB/s or something like that. The end results is a useless box that can’t even respond to ping request.
The last time I saw this, concurrent tcp/ip connections
were limited to around 1000, way below the ip_conntrack table size of 4096.
In any rate, it is a tough job to configure a leaky program, huh ???
In colleges, most computers were Unix workstations back when PC had only 4 MB or less RAM, often donated by such big companies like IBM, HP, DEC, SGI, Sun, etc.
So research papers were produced using troff/groff, LaTex/DVI, xplot/gnuplot, PostScript and assorted unix utilities like awk, sed, grep, etc. Well, this was at least true before HTML
Once you are familiar with the unix way of doing things, i.e. becoming a Unix head, it kind of difficult to move to DOS/Windows, under which – stability, etc apart – the path separator ” as in C:Windows just doesn’t feel right.
Later on, when PCs became more powerful, Linux etc also became popular on the PC platform. So engineers never really had a chance to learn how to do thing not using *nix. That said, before win2k/xp, it is kind of hard to use Windows with a lof of confidence.
Engineer choose *nix mostly because above all, they want to do things their way – and in terms of using computers, that way happen to be the Unix way, because they probably don’t know any other way – much like the managemant doesn’t know how to do things under Unix – where is Power Point ???
“My computer doesn’t run on trees. That’s a pretty cool mod though, you should post an article on how you did it.”
You use less electricity, than you preserve at least
some resource on earth
But not trees.
That happens because iptables can’t clear its ip_conntrack table properly – sort of like memory leak in doing programming, if you can’t get rid of it, add more memory may delay a crash.
I know why it happens. However, being the cool OS it is, you can simply use another technology on Linux in the place of iptables; as you will find the original poster of the link you provided ended up doing. That’s why I called it a configuration problem.
In this case, guys are trying to increase the ip_conntrack table size to to the max of 65536 entries (0xffff) and hope that won’t trigger the bug.
If you find it kludgy, then feel free to contact the developers and let them know what the REAL solution is. In case you weren’t aware, Windows code is riddled with this type of solution.
By the way, all software is buggy, so there is no point in putting opposing program’s foibles on display in a pillory news post. Posting workarounds and fixes is much more productive.
In any rate, it is a tough job to configure a leaky program, huh ???
No, but it is very easy to use something else. For example, under Windows XP, the Microsoft driver for my ATI All-in-Wonder 7500 card doesn’t support 3D. So, do I whinge around on news boards and chatrooms that the video driver for my machine has a shortcoming in it? No, I download a different driver from ATI directly that DOES support 3D. I really don’t see how this iptables thing is any different. If iptables doesn’t work, don’t use it. Use something else instead. The poster of the link you provided ended up using ipchains, for example.
So yes, I do conceed that there is a bug, but it is a bug in something that is easily replaced. A bug that can be solved by configuring your system differently.
Engineer choose *nix mostly because above all, they want to do things their way – and in terms of using computers, that way happen to be the Unix way, because they probably don’t know any other way – much like the managemant doesn’t know how to do things under Unix – where is Power Point ???
I’d like to share my reasonings and experience. In order to convey these thoughts, I must first give some background on myself.
I started working with computers back before Windows 1.0. The first computer I ever used was a TI. The second one was an Atari 800. In the work place, DOS was my first OS. At first I just used DOS, then I supported DOS, and then I begain using Netware and ended up writing some small networked DOS programs for the government agency I worked for. I looked at Windows a couple of times prior to 3.1, but it really wasn’t much back then (not that 3.1 was anything to brag about either).
I really thought DOS (and eventually Windows 3.1) was where it was at. They were better in many ways than my TI and Atari computers, so I thought they were the apex of computing. In fact, I remember going out with my spouse, my friend and his spouse, and another couple who were friends of theirs. My friend had the same views and opinions regarding DOS/Windows 3.1 that I did. The other guy, who I had only just met, was using SCO and was trying to tell us why it was a nice OS and why it was better than DOS/Windows. My friend and I made fun of him then and also for a long time to come over his uninformed choice of OS.
Many of the positions I had regarding Unix vs. Windows way back when have been voiced on OSAlert by other people. I know what many Windows users are saying and why they are saying it. I’ve been there myself before.
One day in the early 90s, I picked up a copy of Slackware’s first release (mainly because it was cheaper than buying DOS for my new machine). I read the manual and after a few attempts had Slackware up and running. I didn’t think much of it at first because I was unfamiliar with it. However, I soon overcame my predjudice and found it to be the most powerful operating system I had ever used.
Over the following years, I have grown much more familiar with Linux (although I’m not any great authority on the subject). Because of the things I now do with my computer, I find Windows inhibiting and frustrating (unless I’m idly scrounging about the web or playing a game). I’m sure the developers in this article felt the same way and so they came up with a way to still use Unix.
I see a lot of Windows users say things like, “with Windows XP, the stability card often played by Linux advocates just simply isn’t an issue any more. There are no compelling reasons left to use Linux instead of Windows.” These people fail to realize that most Linux advocates use security, stability, and the like when talking to Windows users because that is the only common ground there really is. If a Linux user claims that Linux is better because it has program A or capability B, then Windows users usually say, “why would I want to do that?” Or in otherwords, their OS usage has been molded into the confines of Windows and they really can’t see any benefit to performing any tasks outside of that paradigm.
I used to be there. I use to think Windows was better because more people used it and it was easier to get a Windows related job than a Unix one. However, once I saw the abilities of Linux and the programs that run on it, my computer usage began to change from the Windows mold, into something I can only refer to as virtually limitless (or at least as limitless as any OS currently is).
That’s what it is about. It’s the ability to do more with your computer. That is what these NASA guys were wanting. In a nutshell, I would say that Windows tells the user how to use the computer and what tasks they will perform. Linux (and other unix platforms), on the other hand, allow the user to tell their computer how it will perform. These guys at NASA obviously preferred the latter environment.
“I don’t run *NIX/*BSD because of some religious or “stability”, I run it because I want to run a *NIX like OS with a good shell and tools. You can screem and howl to the cows come home, however, until I see MS get rid of the drive letters, adopt the UNIX style file system and set BASH as the default shell, I’m quite happy to stay here in my little “rutt” using the tools I want to use.”
MSFT has already provided an expansion product for Windows (2000/XP) that does every single thing you have asked for plus much more…Services for UNIX/Interix.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/default.asp
The Interix subsystem is a fully licensed UNIX and is POSIX certified. It is UNIX and uses standard UNIX shells. It interoperates with the rest of the Windows OS transparently and synchronizes all passwords, authentication, drive mapping, file systems, processes, daemons, scripting, etc. etc. It has NFS client/server capability. It comes with 300 standard command line utilities. You can port any UNIX application or script to Interix just as easily as with any other flavor of UNIX. There is a list of some standard ported UNIX apps for Interix here:
http://www.interopsystems.com/tools/warehouse.htm
If hosting Windows on UNIX (like these NASA guys) makes more sense for you than hosting UNIX on Windows (like Interix), then by all means, more power to you. I am certainly not suggesting that the Interix way is necessarily the best solution for everybody. Also, yes, I am not going to plug this anymore because everyone has probably heard about it by now, as I have posted on this several times, and is starting to get tired of me talking about it. I have it installed on my machine but I have not had a chance to really do anything with it yet so I can’t tell you very much first hand.
0xffff is OK, nothing wrong in that case.
I am still going to use iptables as I like some of its features, and my DSL traffic is not normally handled by that linux box. I found that bug by route one PC’s heavy net traffic through that linux box by mistake, it is usually handled by a UPnP home router.
For me, WinXP/IE/Outlook Express/MSN Messenger/Wmplayer offer some features not seen in other OS/App bundles – like Unicode truetype fonts with embedded bitmap screen fonts, automatic font size adjustment for Far East languages, Unicode and context aware IME for on the fly language switching, sentence based input, mixed language display of web pages, MP3 tags; Unicode based file system for mixed language filenames etc.
To answer your post on the java thread – there are a handful of languages that don’t have codepages, at leat on the Windows platform – you can find the info by searching “Global Software” in google and follow the first link. Java’s string is unicode based, but it can’t use all IMEs offered on the Windows – for example Global IME, Unicode based IME on win2k, winxp, as Java deal with outside word through codepage translation, so if the host OS’ default codepage/locale differs from that of the active IME, java will get a bunch of question marks (??) instead of what the user typed in the IME window. To avoid those question marks, an app (java or not) will have to pickup WM_IME_COMPOSITION message and obtain the composition string in Unicode format, otherwise the default locale of the Windows has to be set to one of the CJK’s corresponding one – that means on the fly IME switching is not possible and some European characters with 8th bit set will get screwed up.
On the *nix end, Samba won’t do unicode till version 3, that’s the end of story for me.
That isn’t included with Microsoft by default, and on top of that, it is a cheap work around with overhead.
Let me put into plain english. Remove NT, and start from scratch using FreeBSD 5.0 as the core.
Hey,
Those stats you published are totally phoney! You obviously just wanted to make linux look bad which is why you intentionally use wrong keywortds for windows. Using the REAL keywords we get the REAL picture. And it is quite grim
)
The real results are as follows:
“windows xp blue screen” 99 000 pages found
“windows blue screen” 778 000 pages found
“windows lock up” 1 120 000 pages found (note the SPACE)
Regards, James
yes