In some ways, the narrative is out of Apple’s hands. The myth of Snow Leopard is bigger than life, a cultural reference rooted in nostalgia. OS X Lion succeeded 10.6.8 in July 2011 – closing in on 7 years ago. At this point, millions of Mac users have never even used Snow Leopard, and can’t attest to its reliability.
However, a kernel of truth persists underneath the mythology. Improvements to iOS and macOS, no matter how small, contribute to a better experience for everyone. Fixing bugs might not be as marketable as shiny new Animoji or a fresh design, but maintenance can only be deferred so long. If Apple can knock stability out of the park in 2018, maybe the legend of Snow Leopard can finally be put to rest.
There’s a tendency for people to fondly look back upon older releases, whether warranted or not. Since I switched away from the Mac before Snow Leopard came out, and was a fervent Mac user during the PowerPC days, my personal Snow Leopard is Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, which I still consider my personal best Mac OS X release. Mac OS X is obviously not alone in this; Linux and Windows users will also have their favourite older releases after which supposedly everything “went downhill”.
It’s just human nature.
I think the problem is it was comparatively good. When you look at your Snow Leopard, and then look it Windows, you sort of think OSX is still miles ahead.
Now the same today when you are comparing to Windows 10. I argued Windows 10 is rock solid. But as Steve has said, M$ biggest problem is taste. And 20 years later they are still the same.
Snow Leopard was also the last release before they changed UI direction to flatshit, version-froze the GNU tools out of fear of the GPLv3, started locking down the root filesystem for no good reason, and generally shat on the idea of OS X as Unix. Windows 10 with WSL gives me a better unix environment than MacOS does today, let alone a proper Linux distro.
To be clear, High Sierra is UNIX 03 certified.
What exactly does that certification mean? And which version of the certification is it…
Look at the tools provided, and note that most of them were last updated in 10.6. The dates for most of them are over a decade ago.
The lack of basic maintenance here is becoming a burden to interoperability. At my previous job, we were running into several problems due to MacOS lacking features present on every Linux and BSD system for the last 8+ years. Simple stuff like “readlink -f”, which required writing blocks of Perl inline in shell scripts to work around the deficiency. It was added to FreeBSD nearly a decade back. MacOS still doesn’t have it. It’s one tiny feature, but multiply that by a decade’s worth of advancement and bugfixing across all of the base system, and MacOS is missing out on a lot of stuff.
I get that this lower level stuff isn’t Apple’s user-facing focus. But they have let this stuff rot. MacOS X used to be a decent GUI desktop built on top of a solid, if not slightly quirky, UNIX base. It’s now a lacklustre desktop built on a largely unmaintained and bitrotting base.
There is no such thing as “Unix” besides an ancient standard called Standard Unix Specification. There is only Unix-like. Apple has no interest in following upstream. They don’t care about people programming Unix-like command line utilities, so if you went to OS X to have an updated Unix-like OS, you bought the wrong thing. Likewise, not treating OS X as an OS in its own right and instead expecting your FreeBSD or Linux source to just work is a mistake. Allocate some time for porting and if your boss isn’t comfortable with that tell him the only alternative is to stop buying show-off employees Macs. Or to buy everyone a Mac.
Edited 2018-07-07 13:18 UTC
I agree with the general assessment. While OSX technical passes the Unix tests, its not unix in spirit.
I’m not really sure Snow lepord was the turning point. I kind of agree with Thom about Tiger. Although, I kind of feel it was before tiger.
Back when OSX could run KDE. Man those were the times, I tell ya! it was a KDE box that also had MS OFFICE!!! … and apple talk was there too..
Can it not still? Components at least run – there are a few KDE apps packaged for download for macOS, including Krita and Kate
There are build instructions. Maybe sometime this week I’ll give it a shot, see how far I get…
I’m curious what you consider important to a good Unix experience.
Flatshit came with Yosemite, surely? Mavericks looks pretty much the same as Snow Leopard, Lion and Mountain Lion.
I want an OS that works. Snow Leopard was that. It did what was necessary, ran programs fine, and was reasonably bug-deficient.
Yet, rather than stomping out the bugs that were there, streamlining the code, and making incremental changes for the sake of utility, they gave us Lion, the worst Mac OS since 7.5.5. They started by fouling up multiple desktops, and proceeded to go from there, leaving piles of bugs unstomped and more strewn behind in the OS developers’ wake.
People probably wouldn’t be so upset had things not been removed over the course of time ^aEUR” you probably have your own favorite. Disk Utility, for instance, has become far stupider than any of its predecessors. Yes, the command line can still do All The Things, but there was no reason to nerf the GUI.
So, Apple, please stop adding things until everything else is up to snuff. Give us a rock-solid system that uses minimal resources, instead of pointless and platform-killing ways to run iOS software.
Edited 2018-07-06 19:35 UTC
I would also add: Apple, stop removing things where there is nothing wrong with it. Just because one or two Jimmys might not understand what it is for, doesn’t mean there is no place for it.
The more you dumb down software, the more you are going to have to dumb it down in the future. Similarly, the less people are expected to know, the less they are going to know.
The “bar” is in free fall right now because of this.
I know a few people that assert Mac’s have been all down hill since 0S 9. Its kind of true that the UI polish was pretty high there. I think if you read the ArsTechnica reviews of OS X they were always compared to that as a high water mark. Slowly OS 9 features were added back, until Apple just gave up. Probably around the time of Tiger.
The OS vendors giving up on trying to enforce any sort of UI standard at the turn of the century is a valid point. GUI designers threw out years of research to do whatever they felt like, and the field of UX is just now recovering. I mean they are just rediscovering everything people knew in the ’80s and ’90s, but that’s progress.
I had Snow Leopard running on my Mac Pro 2006 until like a year ago. Snow Leopard (10.6.8 v1.1) was solid and it allowed me to run my old PPC software. Subsequent versions after Snow Leopard seemed to remove things (like Rosetta) or change things for the worst (Mission Control instead of Expose+Spaces) or add things I didn’t care for (iOS feature integration into Mac OS X). Eventually this computers role became a file/media/VM server (added 32GB to it for cheap) and continued to run Snow Leopard without any issues at all until last year. In 2017 I decided to upgrade Snow Leopard because newer versions of Plex didn’t support Snow Leopard, so in the end what forced me to upgrade from Snow Leopard was not anything I needed in the newer versions of Mac OS X, but because the software I ran no longer supported it (web browser support ended also). The problem I ran into upgrading the Mac Pro 2006 was that I was stuck at OS X Lion unless I did some EFI tricky to make it run newer versions of Mac OS X. Rather then implementing some EFI hack I decided to try putting Windows 7 on it. I was able to burn Windows 7 64-bit to a disc and install it on the Mac 2006 without any issues (no hacks at all). I was amazed that it was much easier to install Windows 64-bit on my old Mac Pro 2006 then Mac OS X (come’on Apple). In addition by running Windows 7 as my server I got stable SMB/CFIS (newer versions of Mac OS X have lots of issues since moving from SAMBA to SMB2/SMB3), access to more latest versions of software (Plex and PlayOn), and useful features like file server based “Previous Versions” of files. So my new Snow Leopard on my still fully functioning Mac Pro 2006 is Windows 7. I ended up virtualizing my Snow Leopard install, and run it in VirtualBox on my Mac Pro 2006 running Windows 7 so I can still run some of my old PPC software (go figure). Runs great.
My desktop became a Macbook Pro mid 2012 non-retina. I got this model since I wanted to be able to upgrade the SSD (put 500 GB Evo into it) and memory (added 16 GB) myself, and I also wanted a optical drive (yes I still use it a lot for ripping or throw away media data exchange). I ran Mac OS X on this machine but started having issues once I added a 30″ Dell monitor to this machine. The monitor would randomly go off and on. I took it to the Apple store several times and even got hardware replaced on it without success. I tried using different ways to connect the monitor without success. I tried everything without success. I even reported it to Apple and never saw a fix across multiple Mac OS X versions I tried. My last test was to install Windows 7 (boot camp). Guess what, the issue went away. I eventually used the free upgrade to Windows 10 and today my Macbook Pro 2012 runs Windows 10 100% (still have MacOS X to boot into if I wanted) of the time without any issues at all. Windows 10 is very stable on my Macbook (I think these old Mac’s run Windows better then a lot of PCs), runs fast, and seems to multitask as well as I enjoyed with Mac OS X (Windows 8/10 core multitasking seemed to improve from 7).
So here I am today, a old time Mac OS X and Apple fan running Windows on both my old Mac systems and couldn’t be happier. All the complaints I had with Windows 10 I eventually found alternatives or compromises too. I turned off all the privacy stuff I could, set the Windows updates to business branch and delayed updates to max times, disabled Cortona, and replaced built-in Windows software I didn’t like with alternatives. I thought Windows 10 Explorer was unstable and acted weird at times, so I replaced with Directory Opus which IMHO is the best file manager around. I didn’t like Windows Mail (or Outlook), so I replaced with EmClient which IMHO is the best email client for Windows. I wanted a more advanced SSH client, I use SecureCRT (another one of the best apps IMHO). That is the one good thing about Windows, there is so much good software out there you can probably find an alternative to anything in Windows OS you don’t like (like adding a start bar to Windows 8). Doing all this, I find Windows 10 VERY good on my Macbook 2012, and don’t see myself going back to Mac OS X anytime soon on this computer. It is also very nice having Previous Versions that is available on my Windows 7 file server (from above). I do use a Macbook Pro 2013 at work running El Capitan, but since using both all the time I prefer my Windows 10 setup overall. In addition a lot of apps (Chrome/Opera, Photoshop) just seem to run better on Windows since it seems like Mac OS X support is a after thought. For example browsers like Chrome/Opera supporting Profile Guided Optimizations (PGO) for Windows.
I found the old Mac software and hardware some of the best around, but the newer stuff I have not been impressed with. The only thing I could recommend from Apple is the iPhone 8/X since it finally matched the hardware features of my Samsung S7 (water proof, wireless charging, etc..) and I think iOS is better then Android (speed, battery, and security updates). I am happy with my Samsung S7 (recent Oreo update breathed new life into it), and I moved from a old AppleTV to a new FireTV because it was easier to side load Kodi on it and cheaper. I couldn’t be happier with how all my old stuff is operating and see no need to replacing it until it breaks, and even then I would probably buy something used to replace it to save money. So to me, everything since Snow Leopard has not offered any must haves or overly impressed me. It seems like Microsoft is adding more to the game then Apple now in days (Surface Pro 2 and things like Windows 10 Linux subsystem).
Edited 2018-07-06 22:31 UTC
… Windows did go downhill in its latest release aka Windows 10. The “settings” screen is poorly integrated with the Control Panel, to the point that changing your computer from “energy saver” to “high performance” from the taskbar involves a large number of clicks (basically going through the Metro “settings” to reach the functionality you actually want in the Control Panel). Shovelware like Candy Crush keeps coming back, touchpad settings get reset after updates.
But what I couldn’t tolerance is those updates which install without any way to stop them and literally hold your computer hostage while you try to shut it down, pack it up and leave. Or just sleep. And some of those “updates” are actually upgrades, and they take forever.
“Oh gawd make it stop, I want to sleep and this thing wants to make a vacuum cleaner impression for the next half hour or so!!” That’s what I said and went back to Windows 8.1 Pro. At least on 8.1 update shutdowns don’t take too long.
So don’t tell me it’s just a feeling…
Edited 2018-07-06 23:26 UTC
Win2K was the high water mark for the Windows desktop. That was the last time it wasn’t a inconsistent trainwreck.
Windows 2000 had numerous security vulnerabilities built into the design, everything from allowing USB sticks to autorun exe files, to having a brain-dead firewall, to giving admin access to exe files by default (even the ability to install kernel-level code to mess with the OS itself, think how Sony XCP rootkit worked). Not to mention the user didn’t get a warning when double clicking an exe from an unknown publisher, which allowed malware writers to camouflage exe files by using a PDF document icon to fool novice or simply distracted users.
Let’s not look fondly to that era of Windows… IMO Vista was the first secure Windows.
Edited 2018-07-07 23:23 UTC
As regards OS X, Apple is charging users for what is essentially maintenance releases with some emojis added, and even Apple users won’t bite.
What do you mean, charge? macOS is free.
I’ve yet to encounter a BSD hermit who says their OS has gone downhill
4.4 is last great FreeBSD release.
They’ve definitely lost a little bit of focus. The handbook could use some love, and they could sort out the userland admin tools to make them more consistent.
I’ve started using OpenBSD, and it’s still super tight. The team does a good job of staying focused.
My first version of Mac OS X (as was) was Panther and I upgraded to Tiger when it came out (which cost money back then) and was really disappointed. I had a 1GHz EMac which had run Panther very efficiently; the installation of Tiger took an extremely long time, including one very long pause when it appeared to have crashed, which I was later told may have been because it was indexing everything on my hard drive for Spotlight or whatever it was called. I found it slower and less efficient than Panther and the “new feature” was the desktop widgets that were based on Konfabulator, which Apple just copied.
I never used Snow Leopard as I got my next Mac in 2011 and Lion was the OS that came with that. But Panther was my favourite version of OSX. It was feature-rich but fast and not bloated. Tiger and Leopard were the era of fat binaries and bloat.
… was NT4 with service pack 4.
Everything went downhill since and never recovered.
OS X 10.4 was my first Mac OS, so it holds a special place in my memories.
However, MacOS is the same as it’s always been. The stability is good, and oddities which should be fixed aren’t being fixed. New features have been added, and some of them are really nice. It’s still the same OS it’s been since it’s inception though, which is good since it was a major upgrade over OS 9.
Apple being fixated on shiny bobbles isn’t new. It’s just that more people are getting exposed to it outside of the core base. “No new features” in Snow Leopard didn’t mean they were fixing issues. It meant they were working on something else, and were selling the lack of enhancements as a feature. This was just the first time MacOS went into maintenance mode after years of feature releases.
If you want to see how people react to stability, ask geeks about RHEL/CentOS. People will either have a violent reaction against the stability, or they’ll understand it but wish for more updated libs.
Exactly. Its amazing how many Windows users don’t realise how subjective their particular favourite is, and even fail to understand that actually it was immediately after my favourite, Windows 2003, that everything objectively went downhill.
NT6 brought lots of security enhancements and limited how much third-party products like drivers and AVs can mess with the OS, which in turn improved stability.
People who look fondly at NT5 are either troglodytes still mourning about the loss of that Pentium 4 with 512MB of RAM, or people who don’t get the negative security implications of being able to double click an executive and have it magically install unsigned drivers or being able to install apps that make deep modifications to the OS with a single click.
Windows 10, on the other hand, and its habit of mandating huge upgrades at 2:00AM when you want to shut down the computer and just go to sleep is objectively bad.
Edited 2018-07-08 15:38 UTC
Why do I get the impression that post was taken way too seriously? For the avoidance of doubt; I am fully aware Windows 2003 is not some sort of shining light in the darkness. It was a joke. About subjectivity.
Still running 10.4. It was the last time apple made reliable and sensible lovely RISC workstations running an O/S that was vaguely recognisable as a pleasant UNIX.
launchd didn’t require ‘too’ much cringing but I wish they’d stayed with 10.3 BSD init.
Still running it. Still loving it. 10.5 and on.. runs terribly on dual 7447b’[email protected].
10.4 is the end of the “Golden Era”.
When my Mac users say they’d like an upgrade, I say “are you really sure?”
Unless there is a pressing need – a new app or new attached hardware, it’s really better to let be. Those I’ve “upgraded” are always less happy with stability.
This is not only a rant at Apple. Microsoft break our PCs on every W10 update.
Amen. You know things are bad when Google software is considered the pinnacle of reliability. Blame the “10x programmer” culture and CEOs who think a baby can be had in 7 months if everyone involved has the right “culture”.
Edited 2018-07-08 19:21 UTC
That said, I would take the latest versions of Mac OS X over Windows 10 anytime. This whole “we ‘ll upgrade your computer at 2:00AM whether you like it or not” is pure evil. I understand doing this for security patches, but for OS upgrades is unacceptable. Although buying a ^Alb30 Windows 8.1 Pro license key from Amazon proved to be more cost effective than buying a Mac. I now have my computer back.
Edited 2018-07-08 19:39 UTC